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  • #16
    Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Peyton, Stafford, Roethlisberger... even Romo. It depends more on the offense than the quarterback - the Giants target their WRs heavily, so of course they're going to produce (unless they suck like Sinorice).

    Carson freaking Palmer can get the ball to his guys when he's not looking at the wrong team.
    I wouldn't include Stafford since he only throws to one receiver and he happens to be the biggest and best in the league. The verdicts still out. Let me see him play without his #1.
    Last edited by DVision; 04-23-2013, 12:30 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DVision View Post
      I wouldn't include Stafford since he only throws to one receiver and he happens to be the biggest and best in the league.
      But is he the biggest and the best only because of Stafford?
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #18
        Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
        But is he the biggest and the best only because of Stafford?
        No...Of course not.
        The best WR's on other teams are good because of their individual ability. All Giants WR's suck without Eli and would be out of the league if they left the warmth of his embrace.
        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Bee View Post
          That Eli won't be available on any other team to make them look as good as they do in blue
          Yes , because Shockey looked awful in NO with that loser Brees... 0_o

          The only receiver of great talent that left was SS and he was hurt before he left- damaged goods. Trust me a healthy SS would have produced anywhere, then again had he been healthy we would have paid him.
          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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          • #20
            Originally posted by DVision View Post
            I wouldn't include Stafford since he only throws to one receiver and he happens to be the biggest and best in the league. The verdicts still out. Let me see him play without his #1.
            Aikman had Irvin. Montana and Young had Rice, Marino had the Marks brothers, Peyton had Harrison and Wayne. Brady with Moss was incomparable to Brady without. Great QBs usually play with great WRs.
            Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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            • #21
              Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
              Aikman had Irvin. Montana and Young had Rice, Marino had the Marks brothers, Peyton had Harrison and Wayne. Brady with Moss was incomparable to Brady without. Great QBs usually play with great WRs.
              Brady hasn't had much at all through his career.
              And neither Duper or Clayton were that good at all. Clayton went to GB and disappeared.
              And I think we saw what Peyton can do with any group of WR's this year with two, second year guys in Denver.
              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                No...Of course not.
                The best WR's on other teams are good because of their individual ability. All Giants WR's suck without Eli and would be out of the league if they left the warmth of his embrace.
                I'm still trying to wrap my logic around this
                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  I'm still trying to wrap my logic around this
                  Logic???

                  You're looking for the wrong thing.
                  Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    Brady hasn't had much at all through his career.
                    And neither Duper or Clayton were that good at all. Clayton went to GB and disappeared.
                    And I think we saw what Peyton can do with any group of WR's this year with two, second year guys in Denver.
                    I said Brady WITH MOSS was incomparable to Brady without, meaning when he did get the rare opportunity to have a stellar WR he put up all time great numbers way above what he did with his usual mediocre WR core. Marino wasn't that great in his last years with the mediocre WR talent Miami had. Duper and Clayton were good, but I agree they weren't great. Peyton has never played with really bad WRs and last year was no exception. Darius Thomas is not Harrison, but he's no slouch.

                    I just think its an awful argument to say let's see what a QB does if you take away his best receiver. 10 time out 10 his production will go down.
                    Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                      I said Brady WITH MOSS was incomparable to Brady without, meaning when he did get the rare opportunity to have a stellar WR he put up all time great numbers way above what he did with his usual mediocre WR core. Marino wasn't that great in his last years with the mediocre WR talent Miami had. Duper and Clayton were good, but I agree they weren't great. Peyton has never played with really bad WRs and last year was no exception. Darius Thomas is not Harrison, but he's no slouch.

                      I just think its an awful argument to say let's see what a QB does if you take away his best receiver. 10 time out 10 his production will go down.
                      Brady has had nothing but awesome seasons since Moss left.
                      His average for those 3 years:

                      4694 yards 36 TD's 8 Int's.


                      Yeah.....He's struggled!
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                        Logic???

                        You're looking for the wrong thing.
                        Easy for you to say
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                          Brady has had nothing but awesome seasons since Moss left.
                          His average for those 3 years:

                          4694 yards 36 TD's 8 Int's.


                          Yeah.....He's struggled!
                          Your missing the point. He hasn't struggled, but without a doubt he was better with a great WR than he ever was or will be with mediocre WRs.
                          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                            Your missing the point. He hasn't struggled, but without a doubt he was better with a great WR than he ever was or will be with mediocre WRs.
                            I think Eli, Nicks, and Cruz could prove to be a very dynamic trio.
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                              Your missing the point. He hasn't struggled, but without a doubt he was better with a great WR than he ever was or will be with mediocre WRs.
                              Your original point was that "Aikman had Irvin, Montana had Rice etc.....
                              Then you said that great QB's "usually" have great WR's. Well Tom Brady is clearly an exception. Because he had Randy Moss for a tad over 2 seasons.
                              And while he had the one spectacular season, if you look at his other full season with Randy Moss (2009) it was far less productive than any of the 3 seasons he's had since.
                              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                                I think Eli, Nicks, and Cruz could prove to be a very dynamic trio.
                                If Randle/Murphy comes through at the 3WR spot this could be our best year yet. Eli, Cruz, and Nicks are givens. If healthy, I know what they will do- money in the bank, but it's that 3rd receiving option that makes us lethal on offense; and if we can run just average, we will be a force.
                                Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                                http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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