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    I think through most of the season thus far, Perry Fewell has been approaching games with the idea that our D-Linemen are sooo good, he can just rush four and drop everyone else back in zone coverage (which also hurts our run defense). but this is the NFL where offensive linemen are beasts themselves. so our front four does need help, and by providing that help, it will allow them to reek havoc.

    we have physical corners that we need to put up on WR's. webster, ross, amukamara are all way better when pressed up being physical. bump and run coverage provides the following benefits:

    1) WR's dont have a free release to run a crisp route
    2) timing with the QB becomes slightly skewed
    3) WR's (over the course of the game) become tired and slow from expelling so much energy getting off the line
    4) WR's may become timid from secondary's aggressiveness
    5) doesn't allow WR's to be 15yds down field without a defender within 5yds (stupid zone)
    6) QB can't beat the blitz with a quick hot route if the corner isn't 10yds off when they dial up pressure (this is one of the most important factors)
    7) allows for more INT opportunities if the QB isn't perfect with throws

    My final and main point is, this entire season has showed us that our defensive players are NO GOOD AT PLAYING ZONE. Perry Fewell needs to coach on the players' strengths. NOT on some drawn up zone system that looks good on paper. with the right players, can a zone be effective? sure, but we don't have those type of players. so lets not play zone all freakin' game. be aggressive, be tough, and make the offense feel scared. we seemed more aggressive against the jets, and we finally kept a team under 15pts.

    Uneasy QB's getting hit/pressured all game play WAY WORSE than QB's picking apart a zone defense with all day to throw. Stats don't lie...

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    You should be a dc in the NFL....not watch the saints game we played alot of press man and that was one of if not the worst defense we played all year

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    • #3
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      oh ya? then tell me... what's your solution smart guy?

      intelligent responses only please...

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      • #4
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        [quote user="Osi_baby"]oh ya?* then tell me... what's your solution smart guy?

        intelligent responses only please...
        [/quote]
        I dont have a solution nor do I need one I'm not in the NFL and there may not be a solution may e the reason we play bad d is becuz are players are simply not good enough ever think of that?

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        • #5
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          [quote user="Osi_baby"]oh ya? then tell me... what's your solution smart guy?

          intelligent responses only please...
          [/quote]
          ^^^^

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          • #6
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            [quote user="Osi_baby"][quote user="Osi_baby"]oh ya? then tell me... what's your solution smart guy?

            intelligent responses only please...
            [/quote]
            ^^^^
            [/quote]Dont mind idk... After a while he'll grow on ya.

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            • #7
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              Perry Fewell is a terrible DC and its rediculous that he only calls a good gameplan once every 5 games. He should be fired and we should do everything in our power to get Spags to come back.

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              • #8
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                [quote user="elifan10"]Perry Fewell is a terrible DC and its rediculous that he only calls a good gameplan once every 5 games. He should be fired and we should do everything in our power to get Spags to come back.[/quote]

                couldnt have said it better myself. there is a reason why jim johnson was one of the best DC's year in and year out. getting spags was like getting a mini jim johnson. we won with spags because he brought that attacking downhill defense to the giants. do you honestly think we end up beating the pats had we played zone all game and never threw brady out of rhythm in SB42?

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                • #9
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                  [quote user="Osi_baby"]I think through most of the season thus far, Perry Fewell has been approaching games with the idea that our D-Linemen are sooo good, he can just rush four and drop everyone else back in zone coverage (which also hurts our run defense).* but this is the NFL where offensive linemen are beasts themselves.* so our front four does need help, and by providing that help, it will allow them to reek havoc.*

                  we have physical corners that we need to put up on WR's.* webster, ross, amukamara are all way better when pressed up being physical.* bump and run coverage provides the following benefits:

                  1)* WR's dont have a free release to run a crisp route
                  2)* timing with the QB becomes slightly skewed
                  3)* WR's (over the course of the game) become tired and slow from expelling so much energy getting off the line
                  4)* WR's may become timid from secondary's aggressiveness
                  5)* doesn't allow WR's to be 15yds down field without a defender within 5yds* (stupid zone)
                  6)* QB can't beat the blitz with a quick hot route if the corner isn't 10yds off when they dial up pressure* (this is one of the most important factors)
                  7)* allows for more INT opportunities if the QB isn't perfect with throws

                  My final and main point is, this entire season has showed us that our defensive players are NO GOOD AT PLAYING ZONE.* Perry Fewell needs to coach on the players' strengths.* NOT on some drawn up zone system that looks good on paper.* with the right players, can a zone be effective?* sure, but we don't have those type of players.* so lets not play zone all freakin' game.* be aggressive, be tough, and make the offense feel scared.* we seemed more aggressive against the jets, and we finally kept a team under 15pts.*

                  Uneasy QB's getting hit/pressured all game play WAY WORSE than QB's picking apart a zone defense with all day to throw.* Stats don't lie...
                  [/quote]

                  this post is a mess....just had to say it

                  sorry

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                  • #10
                    Re: Perry Fewell's Incorrect Mindset

                    [quote user="Idkaname"][quote user="Osi_baby"]oh ya?* then tell me... what's your solution smart guy?

                    intelligent responses only please...
                    [/quote]
                    I dont have a solution nor do I need one I'm not in the NFL and there may not be a solution may e the reason we play bad d is becuz are players are simply not good enough ever think of that?[/quote]

                    In the Saints game, the Giants couldn't even break the D-huddle the signals were so slow coming in. Not to mention, the chaos in the DB backfield was the usual mayhem.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Perry Fewell's Incorrect Mindset

                      [quote user="Osi_baby"]I think through most of the season thus far, Perry Fewell has been approaching games with the idea that our D-Linemen are sooo good, he can just rush four and drop everyone else back in zone coverage (which also hurts our run defense).* but this is the NFL where offensive linemen are beasts themselves.* so our front four does need help, and by providing that help, it will allow them to reek havoc.*

                      we have physical corners that we need to put up on WR's.* webster, ross, amukamara are all way better when pressed up being physical.* bump and run coverage provides the following benefits:

                      1)* WR's dont have a free release to run a crisp route
                      2)* timing with the QB becomes slightly skewed
                      3)* WR's (over the course of the game) become tired and slow from expelling so much energy getting off the line
                      4)* WR's may become timid from secondary's aggressiveness
                      5)* doesn't allow WR's to be 15yds down field without a defender within 5yds* (stupid zone)
                      6)* QB can't beat the blitz with a quick hot route if the corner isn't 10yds off when they dial up pressure* (this is one of the most important factors)
                      7)* allows for more INT opportunities if the QB isn't perfect with throws

                      My final and main point is, this entire season has showed us that our defensive players are NO GOOD AT PLAYING ZONE.* Perry Fewell needs to coach on the players' strengths.* NOT on some drawn up zone system that looks good on paper.* with the right players, can a zone be effective?* sure, but we don't have those type of players.* so lets not play zone all freakin' game.* be aggressive, be tough, and make the offense feel scared.* we seemed more aggressive against the jets, and we finally kept a team under 15pts.*

                      Uneasy QB's getting hit/pressured all game play WAY WORSE than QB's picking apart a zone defense with all day to throw.* Stats don't lie...
                      [/quote]What about the Saints game when they played press man and got slaughtered . It has more to do with player execution and the team they played more then anything else.The DE's played well and the Jets Oline is horrible so the Giants got more pressure.The Jets receivers are incredibly overrated and slow making them very easy to stick with in man coverage.Mark Sanchez has absolutely horrible pocket presence and is very inaccurate. Playing a lot of man was absolutely the right game plan for the Jets but just because it fits the Jets doesnt mean it will work against everyone.People seem to forget the Giants getting beat time and time again in man coverage in other games this season. Its all on the players

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                        [quote user="Osi_baby"]I think through most of the season thus far, Perry Fewell has been approaching games with the idea that our D-Linemen are sooo good, he can just rush four and drop everyone else back in zone coverage (which also hurts our run defense).* but this is the NFL where offensive linemen are beasts themselves.* so our front four does need help, and by providing that help, it will allow them to reek havoc.*

                        we have physical corners that we need to put up on WR's.* webster, ross, amukamara are all way better when pressed up being physical.* bump and run coverage provides the following benefits:

                        1)* WR's dont have a free release to run a crisp route
                        2)* timing with the QB becomes slightly skewed
                        3)* WR's (over the course of the game) become tired and slow from expelling so much energy getting off the line
                        4)* WR's may become timid from secondary's aggressiveness
                        5)* doesn't allow WR's to be 15yds down field without a defender within 5yds* (stupid zone)
                        6)* QB can't beat the blitz with a quick hot route if the corner isn't 10yds off when they dial up pressure* (this is one of the most important factors)
                        7)* allows for more INT opportunities if the QB isn't perfect with throws

                        My final and main point is, this entire season has showed us that our defensive players are NO GOOD AT PLAYING ZONE.* Perry Fewell needs to coach on the players' strengths.* NOT on some drawn up zone system that looks good on paper.* with the right players, can a zone be effective?* sure, but we don't have those type of players.* so lets not play zone all freakin' game.* be aggressive, be tough, and make the offense feel scared.* we seemed more aggressive against the jets, and we finally kept a team under 15pts.*

                        Uneasy QB's getting hit/pressured all game play WAY WORSE than QB's picking apart a zone defense with all day to throw.* Stats don't lie...
                        [/quote]What about the Saints game when they played press man and got slaughtered . It has more to do with player execution and the team they played more then anything else.The DE's played well and the Jets Oline is horrible so the Giants got more pressure.The Jets receivers are incredibly overrated and slow making them very easy to stick with in man coverage.Mark Sanchez has absolutely horrible pocket presence and is very inaccurate. Playing a lot of man was absolutely the right game plan for the Jets but just because it fits the Jets doesnt mean it will work against everyone.People seem to forget the Giants getting beat time and time again in man coverage in other games this season. Its all on the players

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                        • #13
                          Re: Perry Fewell's Incorrect Mindset

                          [quote user="Osi_baby"]I think through most of the season thus far, Perry Fewell has been approaching games with the idea that our D-Linemen are sooo good, he can just rush four and drop everyone else back in zone coverage (which also hurts our run defense).* but this is the NFL where offensive linemen are beasts themselves.* so our front four does need help, and by providing that help, it will allow them to reek havoc.*

                          we have physical corners that we need to put up on WR's.* webster, ross, amukamara are all way better when pressed up being physical.* bump and run coverage provides the following benefits:

                          1)* WR's dont have a free release to run a crisp route
                          2)* timing with the QB becomes slightly skewed
                          3)* WR's (over the course of the game) become tired and slow from expelling so much energy getting off the line
                          4)* WR's may become timid from secondary's aggressiveness
                          5)* doesn't allow WR's to be 15yds down field without a defender within 5yds* (stupid zone)
                          6)* QB can't beat the blitz with a quick hot route if the corner isn't 10yds off when they dial up pressure* (this is one of the most important factors)
                          7)* allows for more INT opportunities if the QB isn't perfect with throws

                          My final and main point is, this entire season has showed us that our defensive players are NO GOOD AT PLAYING ZONE.* Perry Fewell needs to coach on the players' strengths.* NOT on some drawn up zone system that looks good on paper.* with the right players, can a zone be effective?* sure, but we don't have those type of players.* so lets not play zone all freakin' game.* be aggressive, be tough, and make the offense feel scared.* we seemed more aggressive against the jets, and we finally kept a team under 15pts.*

                          Uneasy QB's getting hit/pressured all game play WAY WORSE than QB's picking apart a zone defense with all day to throw.* Stats don't lie...
                          [/quote]

                          I'm not a big fan of Fewell this year, in fact I'd like to see him replaced.

                          At the same time, it annoys me that some people actually believe you can get to be a defensive coordinator in the NFL without understanding the basic principles of the game.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Perry Fewell's Incorrect Mindset

                            [quote user="Idkaname"][quote user="Osi_baby"]oh ya?* then tell me... what's your solution smart guy?

                            intelligent responses only please...
                            [/quote]
                            I dont have a solution nor do I need one I'm not in the NFL and there may not be a solution may e the reason we play bad d is becuz are players are simply not good enough ever think of that?[/quote]

                            I really can't accept the idea that maybe the players just aren't good enough. We have plenty of talent on defense. Granted we need a MLB and have had some serious injuries since day one, we still have JPP, Webster, Ross, Rolle, Kiwanuka, and so on.

                            I'm not saying Fewell is bad or that I know as much as a pro defensive coordinator but doesn't it make sense, in looking at the body of work, that with the miscommunication and vulnerability to big plays, that this could be a case of schemes being too complicated?

                            Not to mention the fact that the Giants defense is currently based on getting pressure on the QB. So why only rush 4? How about some more corner blitz plays? Yea you may get burned here and there but for the most part you are gonna rattle some QBs and get them off their game and running scared.

                            I'm just saying Spags realized that and we won the SB that year. You would think Perry would want to follow suit.

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                            • #15
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                              [quote user="jhamburg"]I'm not a big fan of Fewell this year, in fact I'd like to see him replaced.

                              At the same time, it annoys me that some people actually believe you can get to be a defensive coordinator in the NFL without understanding the basic principles of the game.[/quote]

                              hahaha its funny that you think this post was a resume for a DC position in the NFL. we need less slow folks on these forums

                              but back to the issue... i believe the next 2 weeks after this thread came out, the gmen played more aggressive and attacked. so please enlighten me, did we play really well and win with that formula? did we do way better than the previous 6 games where all we did was play zone?

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