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  • Jonathan Hankins NFL comparison, Vince Wilfork?

    http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2...bad-value-at-4



    The article itself is why Hankins would be a better pick for Philly in the later rounds than Star at #4 which is interesting but that's another conversation.


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    Strengths:

    • Hankins is a big guy and he plays even bigger. He has the strength to overwhelm linemen and anchors very well against double teams.
    • Excellent at shedding blocks. When two-gapping he can drive his man into the backfield before tossing him aside and making the tackle when a running back chooses a gap.
    • Surprisingly athletic for a man this size. Can make plays laterally along the line of scrimmage and closes quickly on the QB/RB once he slips his blocker. - He ran a 7.59 3-cone and a 4.61 shuttle (compared to Star's 7.76 and 4.65 whilst also being 10 lbs lighter)
    • Gets good push up the middle to collapse the pocket and make quarterbacks feel uncomfortable.
    • Wasn't asked to play 1-gap very often in college, but on those occasions he showed he can get good penetration into the backfield.
    • Fantastic motor. Will chase a ballcarrier downfield until a tackle is made even when it's obvious he won't be the first man to get there.
    • Keeps his eyes in the backfield at all times. Is quick to disengage and follow the ballcarrier on runs to the opposite side. Gets his hands up into passing lanes on occasion.
    • Played on a hybrid defense that used multiple schemes and techniques. Has experience of just about every defensive line position (even lined up in a Wide-9 on a few occasions).



    Weaknesses:

    • Despite all of his dominant ability, Hankins wears down towards the end of games. As he tires, he'll lose power, he'll slow down, his pad level will rise and he'll be blocked much more easily.
    • Due to limited experience playing 1-gap schemes, will probably need to work on some more pass rush moves at the next level.



    Now, those weaknesses are gonna sound pretty bad until you think about why Hankins wore down towards the end of games. Firstly, he played a lot of snaps. He averaged 61 snaps per game (to put that in context Floyd only played 40 snaps per game) which is a long time to run around carrying 320 lbs. Secondly, he's not very well conditioned. He has had issues with his weight throughout his career and carries too much weight in his gut and butt.

    Many have mistaken his fatigue for a lack of effort toward the end of games, but that's simply untrue. Hankins plays hard for every snap that he's on the field and his teammates speak very highly of his work ethic. He's also never missed a game; he used a brace to help him play through a sprained knee.

    What this tells me is that his problems can be overcome at the next level. Firstly he won't be asked to play anywhere near as many snaps in the NFL. Secondly, with an NFL weight room and conditioning program (maybe one that gives its players personalized smoothies after practice) he should be able to get his fitness up to a level where he can play more consistently at a high level.

    If you ask Big John who he aspires to be like, he'll tell you Vince Wilfork. That might be easy to laugh off when considering his dominance in New England, until you remember what was said about Vince before the 2004 draft:


    Powerful, game-controlling defensive player that can be an unstoppable force. Top athlete that displays explosion off the snap, plays with leverage and bull rushes opponents up the field. Quickly closes to the action, immediately alters his angle of attack and chases the action from behind. Squares and wraps tackling bringing ball carriers down on initial contact.

    Looked overweight and out of shape as a junior and as though he was playing not to get hurt. Lackadaisical off the ball and inconsistent at times.

    Displaying flashes of dominance, Wilfork is an explosive defender in the middle of the line. Had a lot of inconsistency issues last season which is dropping him down draft boards but a good prospect at a priority position.



    Sound familiar?
    "Once a Giant, ALWAYS, a Giant."

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    Wilfork is a beast, if he becomes that type of player that would be great. Our weakness is on the edge though, we can't contain the edge and RBs love to exploite that weakness
    Last edited by Cloud57; 04-29-2013, 10:25 PM.

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    • #3
      I like this draft class more and more to date.

      I still would rather have taken Okafor over Moore, but I believe in JR, TC and MR.

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      • #4
        one of the announcers on one of the highlights said theres a future nfl first rounder. it seems he has the talent to be a great defensive tackle in the nfl. if he becomes anything like wilfork than that would greatly help the giants run defense.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cloud57 View Post
          Wilfork is a beast, if he becomes that type of player that would be great. Our weakness is on the edge though, we can't contain the edge and RBs love to exploite that weakness
          If we had a guy that could eat up blockers in the middle, it'll free up the ends and LBs to contain on the outside.

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          • #6
            Hankins has a highlight video on youtube and he flashes some serious dominance dudes a beast

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            • #7
              probably most excited about this pick. If he's real, he solves ALOT of problems we've had on defense. gets into the backfield on runs, shallows out the pocket, occupies more than one body, that helps everybody.

              you can't find players like this anymore, which is why he slipped. everything is passrush now. this guy just eats up space.

              love this pick. absolutely LOVE IT.
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              • #8
                I just hope this guy doesn't become Marvin Austin 2.0
                Last edited by egyptian420; 04-30-2013, 12:02 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by egyptian420 View Post
                  I just hope this guy doesn't become Marvin Austin 2.0
                  austin is undersized, they're not really similar... i get what you're trying to say though.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
                    austin is undersized, they're not really similar... i get what you're trying to say though.
                    Austin isn't undersized .but you're right they aren't similar at all. Marvin Austin is a 3tech DT. Hankins is a 2 tech. And Hankins didn't miss an entire year of football either.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
                      austin is undersized, they're not really similar... i get what you're trying to say though.
                      They're not similar as players but I meant the situation in general. Austin would have been a first round pick if it wasn't for that year he missed. He was actually a better prospect at his time than Hankins was, and he ended up being a nobody.

                      If Hankins becomes another Linval I'd be more than happy.

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                      • #12
                        Hankins is a zero tech. He was projected by almost everyone to go to a 34 team as a nose tackle. However, a lot of teams(us included) are using a zero tech in a 43 scheme. It is a very valuable position to the defense. Just don't go expecting a lot of sacks from this guy. He is a meatwall, not a sacker.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                          Hankins is a zero tech. He was projected by almost everyone to go to a 34 team as a nose tackle. However, a lot of teams(us included) are using a zero tech in a 43 scheme. It is a very valuable position to the defense. Just don't go expecting a lot of sacks from this guy. He is a meatwall, not a sacker.
                          Which is EXACTLY what we need. Wilfork doesn't get a lot of sacks either.
                          "Once a Giant, ALWAYS, a Giant."

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                          • #14
                            the more I watch of this guy, the more excited I get. I'd be surprised if he sniffed 40 snaps a game. 61 snaps per game in college and this guy's motor is in question? are you serious?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Moecoastie77 View Post
                              the more I watch of this guy, the more excited I get. I'd be surprised if he sniffed 40 snaps a game. 61 snaps per game in college and this guy's motor is in question? are you serious?
                              Well, his motor was in question because he was prolly playing 20 snaps too many.


                              But, he also reportedly had a weight problem at 1 point.


                              Motor is sometimes confused for dedication. Anytime a guy has a weight problem his dedication will be in question.
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