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  • #46
    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    C as in Average draft not C as in Mel Kiper which means the worst in the NFL. The Damontre Moore pick was the only pick that I liked. Hankins was the right value for where he was selected but if we dont resign Joseph next season its a wash. Pugh isnt a bad player and this draft was very weak in the 1st round so if u want to secure a starter so be it but I didnt like it.I though they passed on a better prospect in Cordy Glenn last year. Cooper Taylor I havent seen play much but I like the physical skill he has. At worst he should be a demon on special teams which is fine its the 5th round. The 2 7th round picks are hard for me to critique. I have seen other guys play more but that doesnt mean they are better so I wont even involve them in the grading.
    I agree..... "C"..... still very early to call a draft, and like others have said, might take a couple years to get the true measure of some of these guys.

    Pugh was a solid pick in the 1st. Absolutely no problem taking this guy in the 1st given his skill set and the Giants needs.

    Hankins is a situational DT (run stuffer) that will not help this team deal with it's atrocious performance on 3rd and long; I don't think a situational guy is worth a 2nd round pick. I also think that his weight/conditioning will be an issue down the road. He better be an absolute brick wall against the run, otherwise, this was a bad pick in the 2nd.

    Moore is probably my favorite pick of the draft. Teams will be hard pressed to double and triple team JPP with this kid on the field. This pick should also help Tuck.....provides a true rotation now, at the least.

    Nassib seems like a quality pro QB prospect....but a backup QB does not make sense this year, period, especially at the expense of glaring holes on this team. Eli still has 5-7 years in the tank, and has been durable, and David Carr is fine as a backup QB. This pick would make a ton of sense in 2016. As it is, we'll be grooming someone that will make a great addition to another team in a few years. Hopefully the Giants can get a draft pick out of this guy before he can hit the open market without compensation. The Giants would be much stronger with Khaseem Greene on the roster, plain and simple.

    Cooper Taylor is an intriguing player, but his health issues make this a risk/reward grab. He could be a sleeper or else a PUP list guy depending on his heart condition.

    6th round was spent for Nassib, which makes the 4th round pick even more of a loss in my opinion.

    Eric Herman was a good grab in the 7th....productive guy in a small conference (MAC) makes this a good value pick. At the very least, he provides additional competition. Some of these OL projects that Reese has drafted need to step up or else find a new profession, and maybe Herman helps answer that question.

    Cox is training camp fodder, or maybe a special teamer. Running back is not a need, either. Would much rather seen them take a flier on a corner or linebacker in this spot, given the needs at those positions.
    Last edited by joemorrisforprez; 05-01-2013, 09:30 AM.
    "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

    "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese


    • #47
      B+ A-

      2015 season tbd


      • #48
        With no information about how these kids will translate to the NFL, I'd have to say C+.
        But any grade is a blind guess. It could turn out to be a great draft.
        Even a year after its still hard to rate it. Look at 2007. We thought that was a great draft after year 1 but it really turned out to be mediocre.
        Deny everything. Admit nothing. Make counter accusations.


        • #49
          Originally posted by ryan12 View Post
          B+ A-
          i included udfa in my ans

          2015 season tbd


          • #50
            Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
            Cox is training camp fodder, or maybe a special teamer. Running back is not a need, either. Would much rather seen them take a flier on a corner or linebacker in this spot, given the needs at those positions.
            See, I just don't think you draft need in late rounds. Late rounds, to me, is all about value.

            I am not saying Cox is good value, because I have no idea there is so little info out there on him. But, I bet Reese/Ross know a thing or 2 about him. I also disagree with the notion that we are set at RB.

            We have 2 capable backs, 1 with a horrific injury history. Beyond that we have a bunch of nothing.

            TC never lets primary backs do the kickoff returns, he revolked Bradshaw as the kick returner in 2007 when injury promoted him to the top 2 Rbs. So it is doubtful Wilson remains out KR. We do have a need for a kickoff return guy and I don't see him in a lot of our other speed position guys. So maybe they have Cox in mind for that.

            I would say Cox has as much a chance to make the team as any Rb not named Wilson or Brown.


            • #51
              a contingent B-

              But does it really mean enything right now?

              In 3 years this draft grade could either be an A+ or an F. so who really cares


              • #52
                Didnt fill the LB hole or help our weak CB unit in a corner-friendly draft. Really gotta wait and see tho.
                2018 Draft Wishlist:
                1. Saquon Barkley RB Penn State
                2. Rashaan Evans LB Alabama
                3. Conner Williams OT Texas OR Orlando Brown OT Oklahoma
                4. Rashaan Gaulden CB Tennessee

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                - Homer J. Simpson


                • #53
                  B+ Potentially drafting 3-4 starters in year one is pretty damn good.


                  • #54
                    I see a lot of people questioning Hankins conditioning and whether he can last. Do you people realize that at 320+ pounds in college this guy was playing 65 to 70 snaps a game!!!!!! Uhhhhhhh if him getting tired after being in that much time on the field isn't expected from a guy that large than many of you here need to play on the line of scrimmage and you tell me how you feel after that many plays. Fact is from his Sophmore year on he did this and his Sophmore year he was closer to 350 lbs I believe and he lost some weight every year after. When he was fresh on the field running backs went nowhere against Ohio States Defense. I saw a video of him literally run directly over a Guard and destroy the quarterback. Hold off your questions on the guy for now. I very strongly do not believe we are dealing with another Marvin Austin. I think Hankins is the real deal!!!!


                    • #55
                      ^^ all these valid points are lost here bro.. I want to see Alfred Morris run against hankins and Joseph in the middle and conners playing way he gains 5+ ypc.


                      • #56
                        Yep Hankins won't be playing anywhere near 70 snaps...maybe 30-40 a game.


                        • #57
                          they filled critical needs so at least a B for me!


                          • #58
                            It could be either F, D, C, B, or A.

                            Not sure yet.

                            I'll let you know in 1-3 years.


                            • #59
                              TBH, I give it an A. Not because it was the greatest draft in Giants history, but because I simply trust in our front office. After two superbowls, why shouldn't I?

                              Do any of you honestly think that Reese et al are stupid? I mean, honestly stupid? There are a finite number of players to draft, and their selections and contingency options are carefully planned weeks and weeks in advance. That's their job - unlike the rest of us, for whom football is merely an endlessly interesting diversion. I have faith that the players we got were the best in terms of a balance of need AND BPA. There are many other qualities and characteristics they have entire teams of people specifically trained to recognize as well, the likes of which we armchair coaches and agents can only guess. For the most part, anyway.

                              Think of the scores of other NFL teams who have DYNASTIES of failure...this isn't the smacktalk forum so I'm not going to name names, but you can easily think of who I mean. Their poor fans, chained to these doomed franchises, have no choice but to sing the same old battle songs year in and year out while their FO's do a third of the work ours do, never win, and yet still end up making money and keeping their jobs (until a shakeup occurs, anyway). We don't have that problem, so you know what? I'll take the odd lame draft. It wasn't an awesome draft class to begin with.

                              But even if it's not an A...even if the worst case scenario occurred and Reese went on vacation from his own brain, this is the kind of thing that makes football fascinating. Call me nuts, but I'm WAY more entertained on the whole by the way the Giants play their game than I would be if we were a massive NFL juggernaut (you know, like the '07 Patriots, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha). The come from behind last minute victories are thrills the likes of which few get to truly experience in the form of near-cardiac arrest every Sunday. It's definitely worth the odd stray kick to a certain Eagles back or the times where we miss the playoffs, even after finishing strong.

                              To me, anyway.


                              • #60
                                Originally posted by bigjeep View Post
                                I agree with Roosevelt. Strange to pick a QB with the 4th pick and have your GM say I hope he never plays? We could have picked a player ( LB or CB ) that could have helped this year with the 4th pick! QB could have waited another few years. All the experts seem to agree that Pugh was a reach! Even the ones that like him as a player still think it was a reach. No LB or CB not good. Going to be a major problem again this year. Can Webster and Ross still play, and the jury is still out on the prince! C-
                                It's nice to see us warming up to each other after 7 years.

                                What's your issue with Prince? He looks like a solid player.