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  • #16
    Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
    With the exception of the Bears, they all run a 3-4.

    I'm not sure why you're so concerned with this "tradition" of linebackers. Things change -- the team changes. The Giants have found success with this setup so it's not as if they're doing anything wrong.
    I don't consider 31st in the league successful. I'm not living in 2011.

    But if you want to revisit 2011, the Giants defense was getting it's *** handed to it because they didn't know what the hell they were doing until Reese resigned - guess who???.....Chase Blackburn. Boley also had a career year.

    Back in 2007, a great deal of credit should go to Antonio Pierce - yes, a linebacker - for executing Pags' defense. Kawika Mitchell and Chase Blackburn gave them an effective linebacking unit.

    The Bears and Giants run a similar system. Perry Fewell worked under Lovie Smith with the Bears and Rams. The Cover 2 requires good linebackers....it's something the Bears understand....it's why they drafted 2 more this year. The Giants signed Dan Connor to replace Blackburn and Boley.

    Certain teams value linebackers.....the Giants don't, and the Giants defense also happened to suck *** last year. Go figure.
    Last edited by joemorrisforprez; 05-02-2013, 09:03 PM.
    "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

    "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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    • #17
      Originally posted by jomo View Post
      Who have we lost at CB? No one. Hosley and Prince a year older. We are certainly better there. LB, same old same old.
      ...Really dude? Week ONE last year we had to play Justin Tryon. He actually had to play clutch minutes in which he lost the game for us. Webster's horrendous play killed us again.

      Oh yeah Aaron Ross and Terrell Thomas are going to be our saviors. How could I forget.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sovereign View Post
        ...Really dude? Week ONE last year we had to play Justin Tryon. He actually had to play clutch minutes in which he lost the game for us. Webster's horrendous play killed us again.

        Oh yeah Aaron Ross and Terrell Thomas are going to be our saviors. How could I forget.
        ? OP said we are worse this year at CB than last year..
        No one remembers who came in second.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
          John Mara said they needed to improve in the trenches and that was their approach. I think that went pretty well.
          This draft has TC written all over it, with the exception of the Nassib pick.
          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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          • #20
            I think the rationale behind beefing up the trenches (especially with 9000 DTs we have on the roster right now) is that our run defense faltered at the line. If the line is able to plug the gaps, the linebackers won't have to defend against the run nearly as much, and we can use more 3 safety set to defend the pass...

            I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
              I don't consider 31st in the league successful. I'm not living in 2011.

              But if you want to revisit 2011, the Giants defense was getting it's *** handed to it because they didn't know what the hell they were doing until Reese resigned - guess who???.....Chase Blackburn. Boley also had a career year.

              Back in 2007, a great deal of credit should go to Antonio Pierce - yes, a linebacker - for executing Pags' defense. Kawika Mitchell and Chase Blackburn gave them an effective linebacking unit.

              The Bears and Giants run a similar system. Perry Fewell worked under Lovie Smith with the Bears and Rams. The Cover 2 requires good linebackers....it's something the Bears understand....it's why they drafted 2 more this year. The Giants signed Dan Connor to replace Blackburn and Boley.

              Certain teams value linebackers.....the Giants don't, and the Giants defense also happened to suck *** last year. Go figure.
              Our championship defenses were fueled by a DL that was getting the job done. The LBs weren't playing much better than average to good. When the DL is getting it's job done the rest of the defense looks better.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
                I think the rationale behind beefing up the trenches (especially with 9000 DTs we have on the roster right now) is that our run defense faltered at the line. If the line is able to plug the gaps, the linebackers won't have to defend against the run nearly as much, and we can use more 3 safety set to defend the pass...
                Not only that, but the LBs won't have to fight off as many blocks in the run game, making them more effective.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Drez View Post
                  Not only that, but the LBs won't have to fight off as many blocks in the run game, making them more effective.
                  I believe that Canty's injury was more than he let on (part of why he was released, although his salary factored into it too). Kuhn was decent (especially so for a 7th round rookie), but he went down too. Rocky was beyond done, and Austin is a flat out bust. I like the moves made at DT to be completely honest. Linval, Jenkins, Hankins, Kuhn, and Patterson are all capable of competing for that job, and we can keep them rotating to stay fresh.

                  I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by brad View Post
                    That being said, any of the LBs available in the draft when the Giants were picking were probably a reach and would not have had an immediate impact anyway.
                    Huh? Id say you're a little off here. How were Arthur Brown or Bostic a reach when they were there in the 2nd? Greene or Porter in 4th (awesome value)? Beauharnais there in 7th? You can blame JR not taking a LB for many reasons, but none of those guys were reaches in those rounds.
                    2017 Draft Wishlist:
                    1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
                    2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
                    3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
                    4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
                    5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
                    6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
                    7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Red Dog View Post
                      My opinion, barring major injuries we shouldn't be any worse at Lb ...
                      I think the only way we could be worse at LBer is if we gave our current group a scorching case of leprosy and a few back-scratchers.
                      I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                      • #26
                        It sucks to see LBers be neglected year after year, but this building method has worked for us recently and hopefully will continue to work for us.
                        Do not feed the trolls.

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                        • #27
                          the front end and back end of the defense is the priority. Reese does what he does with the LB situation because thats the value he places on that postion within his idea of defense and within the Giants scheme of defense.....
                          "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                          You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                            the front end and back end of the defense is the priority. Reese does what he does with the LB situation because thats the value he places on that postion within his idea of defense and within the Giants scheme of defense.....
                            I agree, but also think having a talented player at the position who also fits the leader role could only improve our overall D. As far as CBs, unless I was watching a different team, our secondary (except Prince) got burned time and time again last season. The only way I see us improving there is if Webby is able to step it up and play like he used to, or Hosley becomes the next in line and shows us what he was so great at in college. If those things do not happen, expect more of what we saw last year.
                            2017 Draft Wishlist:
                            1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
                            2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
                            3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
                            4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
                            5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
                            6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
                            7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

                            sigpic
                            "Behold, the tailgate party. The pinnacle of human achievement. Since the dawn of parking lots, man has sought to fill his gut with food and alcohol in anticipation of watching others exercise."
                            - Homer J. Simpson

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                              the front end and back end of the defense is the priority. Reese does what he does with the LB situation because thats the value he places on that postion within his idea of defense and within the Giants scheme of defense.....
                              That'd be awesome if he were our DC.

                              I don't like depending on multiple people overachieving to produce a quality defense.
                              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
                                I believe that Canty's injury was more than he let on (part of why he was released, although his salary factored into it too). Kuhn was decent (especially so for a 7th round rookie), but he went down too. Rocky was beyond done, and Austin is a flat out bust. I like the moves made at DT to be completely honest. Linval, Jenkins, Hankins, Kuhn, and Patterson are all capable of competing for that job, and we can keep them rotating to stay fresh.
                                I'm excited to see the DT play this year. Rogers still has a chance to make some plays off the bench. Kuhn is coming off a knee surgery. Austin....?
                                "Team sports are a different animal. They tap into deep seeded tribal instincts. Our team vs your team used to be our tribe vs your tribe. Winner takes all – land, plunder, women. You inherently care when you are aligned with a tribe/team. The players are interchangeable but team always stays the same." - JOESONDO from UG forum

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