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  • Red Dog
    started a topic Are they right?

    Are they right?

    All those who claim Reese should have drafted a CB and a LB instead of the positions he did draft?
    It appears that Reese bolstered the positions in front of and behind the corners and Line backers by drafting linemen and a safety/linebacker.
    Will Reese's (enclosing) draft choices improve CB and LB play thereby negating drafting either of those positions for at least this year?

    My opinion, barring major injuries we shouldn't be any worse at Lb or corner this year and perhaps improved
    After camp cuts by other teams won't be surprised if Reese snatches up a LB and/or a corner .
    The OLine got younger and beefier and more athletic
    The DLine got nasty in the middle and quick on the end
    The safety position may have gottena real deal steal
    Another running back to make DRrayScott make it or break it this year through competition. (I believe this draft choice was for that reason)
    With these kind of observations I just can't believe the NSL have not offered me a sportswriter position yet to cover the Giants

  • Moke
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    Idk man, I hope they are right.

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  • joemorrisforprez
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    Originally posted by JesseJames View Post
    Reese went into this draft and did exactly what the owner told the media he wanted to do, get tough in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Now do any of you doubt that if Mara said he wanted better LBers that we wouldn't have drafted LBers very early in the draft instead of none...
    Great point.

    Fortunately, I think you couldn't ask for a better coach than Coughlin in terms of getting the most out of his players. So, it could be that some players (e.g., Herzlich, Paysinger) step up and surprise me. Maybe Rivers can actually stay healthy and live up to his lofty draft pick hype. Maybe J-Will will learn how to shed a block.

    I'm really pulling for all of them, because unless Reese pulls the trigger on a free agent, that's what they'll be working with in 2013.

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  • Giant303
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    07-Aaron Ross, Steve smith, Jay Alford(DT), Zak DeOssie(LB), Kevin Boss,Adam Koets(OT), Michael Johnson(S),Ahmad Bradshaw(RB)
    08-Kenny Phillips,Terrell Thomas,Mario Manningham,Bryan Kehl(LB),Johnathan Goff(LB),Andre Woodson(QB),Robert Henderson(DE)
    09-Hakeem Nicks(WR),Will Beatty(OL),Ramses Barden(WR),Travis Beckum(TE),Andre Brown(RB),Rhett Bomar(QB),Deandre Wright(CB),Stoney Woodson(CB)
    10-JPP(DE),Linval Joseph(DT),Chad Jones(S)**Navarro Bowman taken 15 picks later,Phillip Dillard(LB),Mitch Petrus(G),Adrian Tracy(LB),Matt Dodge(P)
    11-Prince Amukamara(CB),Marvin Austin(DT),Jerrel Jernigan(WR),James Brewer(Ot),Greg Jones(LB),Tyler Sash(S),Jacquian Williams(LB),Da'Rel Scott (RB)
    12-David Wilson(RB),Rueben Randle(WR),Jayron Hosley(CB),Adrien Robinson(TE)**Danny Trevethan taken 60 picks later,Brandon Mosley(OT),Matt MCcants(OT),Markus Kuhn(DT)

    in 07 he could have taken Jon Beason over Aaron Ross,but we had AP at the time so that would make no sense. Looking at where the giants were picking since JR has taken over he's missed on 2 IMO special linebackers(Bowman and Trevethan)...so no sweat In Reese we trust.

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  • JesseJames
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    Reese went into this draft and did exactly what the owner told the media he wanted to do, get tough in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Now do any of you doubt that if Mara said he wanted better LBers that we wouldn't have drafted LBers very early in the draft instead of none...

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  • JesseJames
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    Originally posted by brad View Post
    I would take Reese's opinion over some anonymous poster on a message board... but this anonymous poster thinks the LB position in particular has not been given enough attention. That being said, any of the LBs available in the draft when the Giants were picking were probably a reach and would not have had an immediate impact anyway. I am not sure that there is much that can be done at this point with the limited salary cap room, but would be ecstatic if they managed to make a move to bolster the LB group before the season started.
    is it your feeling that in the last 9 years there has never been a good LBer who was worth the pick when we drafted?

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  • JesseJames
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    Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
    It's no coincidence that teams with better linebackers have better defenses than the Giants.

    I've been waiting a few years now, but the linebacking tradition for the Giants has gone off life support and has now flat-lined.

    If I wanted to get the opinion of the value of linebackers, I would no longer consider the Giants the leading organization to ask. I'd take the opinion of the Bears, Steelers, Ravens or 49ers over whatever Reese has to say about that particular subject.
    I agree with you and nobody can tell me there was no LBer available at the time we drafted who could have been better than what we have and that goes for the last 9 years, I don't buy into all this highest rated player on the board crap, if you need a LBer you go into the draft and get the best one available . I know nobody will agree with me but if Reese had done this since he's been here we would have some damn good LBers and we wouldn't be having this discussion...

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  • timmytimm3
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    Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
    I believe that Canty's injury was more than he let on (part of why he was released, although his salary factored into it too). Kuhn was decent (especially so for a 7th round rookie), but he went down too. Rocky was beyond done, and Austin is a flat out bust. I like the moves made at DT to be completely honest. Linval, Jenkins, Hankins, Kuhn, and Patterson are all capable of competing for that job, and we can keep them rotating to stay fresh.
    I'm excited to see the DT play this year. Rogers still has a chance to make some plays off the bench. Kuhn is coming off a knee surgery. Austin....?

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  • Kruunch
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    Originally posted by GameTime View Post
    the front end and back end of the defense is the priority. Reese does what he does with the LB situation because thats the value he places on that postion within his idea of defense and within the Giants scheme of defense.....
    That'd be awesome if he were our DC.

    I don't like depending on multiple people overachieving to produce a quality defense.

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  • TAILGATIN'
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    Originally posted by GameTime View Post
    the front end and back end of the defense is the priority. Reese does what he does with the LB situation because thats the value he places on that postion within his idea of defense and within the Giants scheme of defense.....
    I agree, but also think having a talented player at the position who also fits the leader role could only improve our overall D. As far as CBs, unless I was watching a different team, our secondary (except Prince) got burned time and time again last season. The only way I see us improving there is if Webby is able to step it up and play like he used to, or Hosley becomes the next in line and shows us what he was so great at in college. If those things do not happen, expect more of what we saw last year.

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  • GameTime
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    the front end and back end of the defense is the priority. Reese does what he does with the LB situation because thats the value he places on that postion within his idea of defense and within the Giants scheme of defense.....

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  • Mercury
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    It sucks to see LBers be neglected year after year, but this building method has worked for us recently and hopefully will continue to work for us.

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  • Kruunch
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    Originally posted by Red Dog View Post
    My opinion, barring major injuries we shouldn't be any worse at Lb ...
    I think the only way we could be worse at LBer is if we gave our current group a scorching case of leprosy and a few back-scratchers.

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  • TAILGATIN'
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    Originally posted by brad View Post
    That being said, any of the LBs available in the draft when the Giants were picking were probably a reach and would not have had an immediate impact anyway.
    Huh? Id say you're a little off here. How were Arthur Brown or Bostic a reach when they were there in the 2nd? Greene or Porter in 4th (awesome value)? Beauharnais there in 7th? You can blame JR not taking a LB for many reasons, but none of those guys were reaches in those rounds.

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  • Toadofsteel
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    Originally posted by Drez View Post
    Not only that, but the LBs won't have to fight off as many blocks in the run game, making them more effective.
    I believe that Canty's injury was more than he let on (part of why he was released, although his salary factored into it too). Kuhn was decent (especially so for a 7th round rookie), but he went down too. Rocky was beyond done, and Austin is a flat out bust. I like the moves made at DT to be completely honest. Linval, Jenkins, Hankins, Kuhn, and Patterson are all capable of competing for that job, and we can keep them rotating to stay fresh.

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