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  • #76
    [QUOTE=joemorrisforprez;762689]See below.



    Well said.

    As far as Blackburn goes......he made a dramatic improvement to the defense when he was re-signed midway through the 2011 season. It's like suddenly the defense found its brain.

    Long story short, a good defense has factored into every NFL championship the Giants have won...and that includes solid play from the linebackers.[/QUOTE]

    Well, if our defense continued to play like **** in 2011, we wouldn't have gone to the SB let alone made the playoffs. So I think it's a given.
    http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

    Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
      The depth is very shaky an injury or 2 and we have serious issues. U have to figure Rivers will miss at least 6 games
      It's not possible that Reese believes we are set at LB. Even if he's ready to give it a go with our current starters (whoever those are lol) our depth, as you say, is pretty weak. We will beef this area up between now and the start of the season with at least some quality depth on the cheap.
      No one remembers who came in second.

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      • #78
        They where not going to rebuild the entire defense this offseason.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by qndarius3 View Post
          This board incessantly discusses our need for linebackers. We are not spending money to get one or drafting one high, so get over it!
          False. The Giants signed LaVar Arrington to a 49 Million dollar contract in 2006 dollars! Just because we haven't drafted one high doesn't mean it's against the Giant ways, it's because there were better players on the board at the time. Same could've been said for Olineman... Pugh shot that argument down. How about "the giants won't take a RB in the first" Wilson shot that argument down too. Trust me if Von Miller was on the board in 2011 he would've been the choice.

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          • #80
            Don't forget that it is all about the matchups. Not all two back sets are good. Not all two te sets are good. Not all 4 wr sets are good. This applies to offense and defense. There may be chances that we need lbs and there are chances we don't need them. There are ways to work around the lack there of but one part of the team has got to be stronger like the wr and O-line. If you have about 3 good wrs and a good O-line, you can go without some things like a star te. If you have a good te added with the good wrs and O-line along with good qb like Eli, then you can deal more without things cause one part of the game is supreme.

            One reason why I made predictions in the past that we can use 4 wr sets is cause of the players we had on the team like in 09 when we had a lot of good wrs. Their play would lower the weakness of the 4 wr set long as the play calling is good and does not put the offense in 3rd long situations.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by WiIdcat View Post
              False. The Giants signed LaVar Arrington to a 49 Million dollar contract in 2006 dollars! Just because we haven't drafted one high doesn't mean it's against the Giant ways, it's because there were better players on the board at the time. Same could've been said for Olineman... Pugh shot that argument down. How about "the giants won't take a RB in the first" Wilson shot that argument down too. Trust me if Von Miller was on the board in 2011 he would've been the choice.
              that was a different Defensive system...

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              • #82
                Originally posted by qndarius3 View Post
                that was a different Defensive system...
                What does that have to do with what I said?? Are we running some type of 7-0 defense that doesn't require linebackers?? You said they won't spend money on a LB or draft one high. They HAVE spent money on LBs and as I said they most definitely would have drafted Von Miller if he was there in 2011. The value hasn't been there and that's why they haven't selected one high.

                Show me a linebacker in the last 5 years that was available in the first that was better value than our pick... you won't find one.

                Our current system doesn't devalue linebackers, the quality of the other 8 guys on defense has hidden the mediocrity of our LB core.
                Last edited by WiIdcat; 05-10-2013, 11:43 AM.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by WiIdcat View Post
                  What does that have to do with what I said?? Are we running some type of 7-0 defense that doesn't require linebackers?? You said they won't spend money on a LB or draft one high. They HAVE spent money on LBs and as I said they most definitely would have drafted Von Miller if he was there in 2011. The value hasn't been there and that's why they haven't selected one high.

                  Show me a linebacker in the last 5 years that was available in the first that was better value than our pick... you won't find one.

                  Our current system doesn't devalue linebackers, the quality of the other 8 guys on defense has hidden the mediocrity of our LB core.
                  clearly you didnt read the opening post i made. I am suggesting because of guys like RGIII/newton/vick/2 TE sets ect. that dictated the system that Fewell implemented.

                  this allows us to have a QB spy on passing downs (3rd safety) and which is why we bring in guys like rivers/curry/williams who are very athletic and run with TE's/QBs. We are running out 2 lbs a good portion of the time anyways.
                  Because of the way we are currently set up, not based on what weve done previously , you are not going to see the gmen bring in big ticket FA's or high draft picks on LBs, hence devaluing the position as a whole. Obviously the exception occurs if there is an extraordinary talent IE: Miller, but when you are picking in the 2nd half of the 1st round each year, that doesnt come up too often.

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