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  • mattknoff
    started a topic Where do you rank the Giants Defense?

    Where do you rank the Giants Defense?

    I would honestly put the Giants defense ranked at the top of the league right now. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see a defense out there that is as hungry and talented as our guys.

  • BigBlue1971
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    they can only get better with returning starters and addition of Goodson, Thompson and a new partner for Snacks. I expect the d to be no worse than top 10.

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  • jay051
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    Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post
    Until we show a consistent pass rush and some good LB play who can cover a TE, Im not giving them top 5. Probably around 10. The offense also has to do its part and keep the defense fresh, otherwise they look much worse.
    Weren't they ranked 2nd last year with an inconsistent pass rush including JPP missing basically a quarter of the season?? Weren't they 1st in redzone defense and also top 3 defense on 3rd down?? Thats pretty impressive if you ask me with all the flaws you just mentioned.

    I do agree that the offense is gonna have to pick up its part in this and i cant see them getting any worse than last season even with a suspect line.

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  • Eliordie
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    Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post
    Until we show a consistent pass rush and some good LB play who can cover a TE, Im not giving them top 5. Probably around 10. The offense also has to do its part and keep the defense fresh, otherwise they look much worse.
    Nitpicking based on personal preferences, there's not a perfect defense in this league let alone 10, that's a joke of a ranking they were EASILY top 5 last year the only thing really up for debate was were they the best

    And when you take all the numbers into account AND apply context.. I think they were

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  • Eliordie
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    To me they were the best defense in the league last year, they were CONSTANTLY starting drives backed up at their own 20 and they still held teams to jack **** and straight up piggy backed the team to 11 wins.. you can't run on us, you can't throw on us.. good luck

    And improvements are coming (Thompson, Tomlinson, Kennard and Robinson playing full time, Apple evolving)

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  • TEM
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    You are only as good as your last game. Gave up 38.

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  • mattknoff
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    For some reason people are talking about the offense and the team as a whole when I clearly posted about the Defense.

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  • jimmie ray
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    Originally posted by GameTime View Post

    bottom line it how many points a D lets up no matter how their pass rush is etc. But yes having a good cover LB and consistent pass rush would be nice
    All the great defenses have been set apart by what they continued, or even stepped up further, in the playoffs and S.B.s. He's right about waiting on this.

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  • IrishMike357
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    Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post
    Until we show a consistent pass rush and some good LB play who can cover a TE, Im not giving them top 5. Probably around 10. The offense also has to do its part and keep the defense fresh, otherwise they look much worse.
    Our coverage of TEs last year was very good from what I remember. I think JPP staying healthy and getting some help from rotating DEs will help the pass rush a ton. We were 15th in sacks last year and didn't have JPP for a large chunk. His health will be the key to having a consistent pass rush. It did seem at times last year the rush vanished.

    With that said who are the 9 teams you rank above us?

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  • GameTime
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    Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post
    Until we show a consistent pass rush and some good LB play who can cover a TE, Im not giving them top 5. Probably around 10. The offense also has to do its part and keep the defense fresh, otherwise they look much worse.
    bottom line it how many points a D lets up no matter how their pass rush is etc. But yes having a good cover LB and consistent pass rush would be nice

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  • giants8493
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    Originally posted by Jmulroy99 View Post
    Talent-wise, It's between us and Denver. I think they beat us out just because they have a game wrecker in Von that we don't necessarily have (although Vernon and JPP are terrific) and I think their trio of corners bests ours out slightly.

    by seasons end, I think this could all change if Eli Apple has a sophomore surge, Goodson can be a tone setter, and we get can solid pass rush production out of our backup DEs (Avery Moss!!!?!!). Darian Thompson coming back could also help out tremendous.

    Another guy who could have an impact is Dalvin Tomlinson. I didn't have great expectations and thought there was a good chance he may take a year to learn and absorb a la Hankins, but various beat writers have make comments about his foot speed, so I think there may be a better chance he has a legit impact.

    our core pieces are all young and on long term deals (minus Collins but that will change) and we've surrounded them with some veterans who get the job done (Casillas), but mostly with younger guys with great potential. The best part is I think this defense is still 2 or so years away from it's peak. It'll be exciting to see what we can do with the core guys we have now and some more early round draft picks.
    Our game wrecker is Landon Collins

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  • TheAnalyst
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    Until we show a consistent pass rush and some good LB play who can cover a TE, Im not giving them top 5. Probably around 10. The offense also has to do its part and keep the defense fresh, otherwise they look much worse.

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  • GameTime
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    Originally posted by Jmulroy99 View Post
    Talent-wise, It's between us and Denver. I think they beat us out just because they have a game wrecker in Von that we don't necessarily have (although Vernon and JPP are terrific) and I think their trio of corners bests ours out slightly.

    by seasons end, I think this could all change if Eli Apple has a sophomore surge, Goodson can be a tone setter, and we get can solid pass rush production out of our backup DEs (Avery Moss!!!?!!). Darian Thompson coming back could also help out tremendous.

    Another guy who could have an impact is Dalvin Tomlinson. I didn't have great expectations and thought there was a good chance he may take a year to learn and absorb a la Hankins, but various beat writers have make comments about his foot speed, so I think there may be a better chance he has a legit impact.

    our core pieces are all young and on long term deals (minus Collins but that will change) and we've surrounded them with some veterans who get the job done (Casillas), but mostly with younger guys with great potential. The best part is I think this defense is still 2 or so years away from it's peak. It'll be exciting to see what we can do with the core guys we have now and some more early round draft picks.
    no doubt....
    if they can get a one gem out of Goodson, Thomlinson, or Thompson that would be very cool. They do need a rotational DE that can bring heat too. Maybe Moss can be that player. Certainly is exciting time for the Giants D

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  • Jmulroy99
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    Talent-wise, It's between us and Denver. I think they beat us out just because they have a game wrecker in Von that we don't necessarily have (although Vernon and JPP are terrific) and I think their trio of corners bests ours out slightly.

    by seasons end, I think this could all change if Eli Apple has a sophomore surge, Goodson can be a tone setter, and we get can solid pass rush production out of our backup DEs (Avery Moss!!!?!!). Darian Thompson coming back could also help out tremendous.

    Another guy who could have an impact is Dalvin Tomlinson. I didn't have great expectations and thought there was a good chance he may take a year to learn and absorb a la Hankins, but various beat writers have make comments about his foot speed, so I think there may be a better chance he has a legit impact.

    our core pieces are all young and on long term deals (minus Collins but that will change) and we've surrounded them with some veterans who get the job done (Casillas), but mostly with younger guys with great potential. The best part is I think this defense is still 2 or so years away from it's peak. It'll be exciting to see what we can do with the core guys we have now and some more early round draft picks.

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  • bigpoppy
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    They picked 23rd in the draft last year. That makes them the 9th best team until proven otherwise.... They ranked 14th in Total Offense. They Ranked 1st in Team Defense. On average that is 1/32+14/32 = 15/64 = 23.44rd worst Team, which translates to the 8.56th best team.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/t...ense/year/2012

    Statistically, based on last years actual performance, that is where we presume they are unless/until proven otherwise, but we all know that last year does not matter and every year it changes. The question is whether or not they improved or not RELATIVE to how much other teams improved or not from last year.

    I see a slight drop off possible as other teams get better. It's very difficult to repeat as the number one defense 2 years in a row. in a league that is set up for teams to make major improvements each year via key additions in the draft & free agency. Also, we were lucky with injuries being minimal.

    All that being said, we have a great defense.

    The bigger question is the O.

    2 cents
    Last edited by bigpoppy; 08-10-2017, 07:46 AM.

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