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  • Facing 8 In The Box: With 2 Or More Wideouts

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...more-wideouts/

    Earlier today, to add some context to which running backs were facing the most stacked boxes, we looked at which teams were doing so with a single receiver split out.

    That was something of a starter and what we’re about to do now is more of a main course in adding context to the piece we released yesterday. Because now we’re going to look at which rushers had to face eight men (or more) in the box when their offense lined up with two or more receivers split away from the formation.


    Logically, that is the real determining test. When defenses are adjusting to just one receiver split out wide, it gives them an extra defender to put in the box. When there are two then it becomes about whether a safety comes into the box to be the extra and form an eight-man front.
    So let’s start by seeing which defenses used the most stacked boxes.

    Bears and Bills


    At one end of the spectrum stands a team, the Buffalo Bills, that showed eight men in the box against run plays with two-plus split receivers a league-high 23.85% of the time. At the other end, the Chicago Bears responded the same way on just 5.19% of runs. That gives you an idea of how aggressive both teams were in shutting down the opposing run game, or, if you like, how confident they were in their front seven handling business.
    Here’s the full list:

    Rank Team vs. 2 Split 8 In Box %

    1 BUF 130 31 23.85%
    2 NE 148 33 22.30%
    3 CAR 151 27 17.88%
    4 ATL 145 25 17.24%
    5 HST 199 32 16.08%
    6 BLT 261 41 15.71%
    7 GB 126 19 15.08%
    8 SL 148 21 14.19%
    9 SEA 141 20 14.18%
    10 OAK 170 24 14.12%
    11 DET 157 22 14.01%
    12 PHI 180 25 13.89%
    13 IND 189 25 13.23%
    14 NYG 182 24 13.19%
    15 WAS 186 24 12.90%
    *LEAGUE AVG 5434 686 12.62%


    Read more...
    Last edited by RoanokeFan; 05-13-2013, 08:37 PM.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

  • #2
    Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...more-wideouts/
    Bears and Bills

    At the other end, the Chicago Bears responded the same way on just 5.19% of runs. That gives you an idea of how aggressive both teams were in shutting down the opposing run game, or, if you like, how confident they were in their front seven handling business.



    Whoa, whoa, whoa....hold the phone, this must be a misprint.

    Front 7?......I thought in "today's NFL", all you needed was a front 4 and then defensive backs.

    Someone needs to pass the Bears a memo that linebackers are useless.

    "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

    "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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    • #3
      Wish this showed how many were against option runs vs normal runs.

      Generally need to have 8 in the box against the option

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      • #4
        Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post


        Whoa, whoa, whoa....hold the phone, this must be a misprint.

        Front 7?......I thought in "today's NFL", all you needed was a front 4 and then defensive backs.

        Someone needs to pass the Bears a memo that linebackers are useless.

        You really need to join a support group or something.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Drez View Post
          You really need to join a support group or something.
          I'm thinking about starting one on the GMB.....but DieHard would likely nuke it before anyone was able to get the help they were looking for.
          "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

          "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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          • #6
            no one disagrees that we could use better LB's JMFP...what ur not understanding, or refusing to might be the better term, where are these LB's? What LB's should we have taken that'd 180 the LB unit? You act like theres a poster here who wouldnt want to add a LB or realizes that having better LB's helps vs the run and short pass...again, where are these LBs? the LB's ur acting like we should be taking arent growing on trees. JR isnt turning down any option that fiscally makes sense...for petes sake we are signing guys like CUrry and Rivers bc thats pretty much the talent pool of actual available LBs...unless you'd like him to have open try outs **** Vermeil style and you lace em up once more in hopes your that LB bc these LBs u speak of gotta come from somewhere...unless you feel you can whine about it to the 9ers til they give us one of theirs...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
              no one disagrees that we could use better LB's JMFP...what ur not understanding, or refusing to might be the better term, where are these LB's? What LB's should we have taken that'd 180 the LB unit? You act like theres a poster here who wouldnt want to add a LB or realizes that having better LB's helps vs the run and short pass...again, where are these LBs? the LB's ur acting like we should be taking arent growing on trees. JR isnt turning down any option that fiscally makes sense...for petes sake we are signing guys like CUrry and Rivers bc thats pretty much the talent pool of actual available LBs...unless you'd like him to have open try outs **** Vermeil style and you lace em up once more in hopes your that LB bc these LBs u speak of gotta come from somewhere...unless you feel you can whine about it to the 9ers til they give us one of theirs...
              You didn't know that 3 down LBs are available in all 7 rounds? There are tons of 6'3 to 6'4 240lb+ specimens out there that have the ability to not only shed blocks like a greek god but that effectively turn their hips in pass coverage and can cover Rob Gronkowskis. Jerry Reese just doesn't get it I guess.

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              • #8
                Back to the LB'er whining again I see.

                How about looking at this article and taking note of the fact that last season Bradshaw faced an 8 man front almost the least amount of time in the NFL yet the entire running game struggled plenty more than it should have at times. Something like that should open everyone's eyes here and realize how desperately this O-line needs to improve. So from this you can deduce (for all you LB'er jock riders) this draft need assessment: Pugh > Ogletree, Te'o and it is not even debateable.
                Last edited by repeatchamps; 05-14-2013, 10:30 AM.
                Over 7000 posts, advanced member, joined March 2002. 1st post (as anonymous) was the day after Super Bowl 35

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                  You didn't know that 3 down LBs are available in all 7 rounds? There are tons of 6'3 to 6'4 240lb+ specimens out there that have the ability to not only shed blocks like a greek god but that effectively turn their hips in pass coverage and can cover Rob Gronkowskis. Jerry Reese just doesn't get it I guess.
                  Point and case, Jacquian Williams in the 6th round. We need another LB like that. Not another one year deal LB who failed everywhere else and was mostly injured. But we would rather have that 3 safety set and thats why we drafted a 6'4'' safety in the 5th round.

                  Looking at this, Im trying to figure out how well these defenses did vs the run. What was their rank vs the run? Anyone know?
                  WE ALREADY HAVE A GREAT RUNNING BACK:

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post
                    Looking at this, Im trying to figure out how well these defenses did vs the run. What was their rank vs the run? Anyone know?
                    BUF 31st
                    NE 9th
                    CAR 14th
                    ATL 21st
                    HOU 7th
                    BAL 20th
                    GB 17th
                    STL 15th
                    SEA 10th
                    OAK 18th
                    DET 16th
                    PHI 23rd
                    IND 29th
                    NYG 25th
                    WAS 5th
                    ....
                    CHI 8th


                    “Basically just stay with your man,” cornerback Janoris Jenkins said. “Follow him everywhere you go. Even if he goes to the bathroom, follow him.”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                      no one disagrees that we could use better LB's JMFP...what ur not understanding, or refusing to might be the better term, where are these LB's? What LB's should we have taken that'd 180 the LB unit? You act like theres a poster here who wouldnt want to add a LB or realizes that having better LB's helps vs the run and short pass...again, where are these LBs? the LB's ur acting like we should be taking arent growing on trees. JR isnt turning down any option that fiscally makes sense...for petes sake we are signing guys like CUrry and Rivers bc thats pretty much the talent pool of actual available LBs...unless you'd like him to have open try outs **** Vermeil style and you lace em up once more in hopes your that LB bc these LBs u speak of gotta come from somewhere...unless you feel you can whine about it to the 9ers til they give us one of theirs...
                      Again....these linebackers are coming from a place called "college". Believe it or not, linebackers in college cover tight ends now. That's because all these athletic tight ends in the NFL came from college too.


                      And again....maybe for the 20th time.......Khaseem Greene would have been a perfect fit for this defense.
                      "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                      "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BeatYale View Post
                        BUF 31st
                        NE 9th
                        CAR 14th
                        ATL 21st
                        HOU 7th
                        BAL 20th
                        GB 17th
                        STL 15th
                        SEA 10th
                        OAK 18th
                        DET 16th
                        PHI 23rd
                        IND 29th
                        NYG 25th
                        WAS 5th
                        ....
                        CHI 8th
                        And just keep in mind Chicago faces A.P. twice per season.
                        "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                        "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                        • #13
                          The difference between the Giants run defense and the Bears run defense is about 28 yards a game. With better DL play by the Giants they can be just as good. The Bears do have a good DL.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                            You didn't know that 3 down LBs are available in all 7 rounds? There are tons of 6'3 to 6'4 240lb+ specimens out there that have the ability to not only shed blocks like a greek god but that effectively turn their hips in pass coverage and can cover Rob Gronkowskis. Jerry Reese just doesn't get it I guess.
                            And all 4th round picks like Greene will become Harry Carson's.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                              And just keep in mind Chicago faces A.P. twice per season.
                              How'd their defensive line play?

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