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    NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports that "value-wise," the Giants view restricted free agent Victor Cruz as more than a slot receiver in long-term talks.
    That's good news for Cruz in a market that's been cruel to slot men, but hardly an indication the Giants are willing to pay him as the No. 1 receiver he's produced like the past two seasons. The Giants are believed to be offering somewhere in the neighborhood of $8 million annually, while Cruz is reportedly seeking $10-$11 million. Rapoport also reports the next few days are viewed as "extremely important" in the negotiations, but doesn't know why.
    Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter May 14 - 8:36 PM

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    Call Cruz whatever you want...1st WR, 2nd WR, Slot, Outside, Inside....bottom line says 2 years 168 Rec. 2,628 yards, 19 TD's and most productive player on offense. Enough said.

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    • #3
      His value will be detemined by his contract. It's really that simple.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #4
        This isn't really news. If it's already been reported that we've offered at least $7m/yr average, that already says that they see Cruz as more than just a slot guy as the other premier slot guys got $6m. However, it means that they don't value him as too much more than just a slot guy.

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        • #5
          That smooth pudding like substance you see before you is the dead horse that was beaten beyond recognition.
          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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          • #6
            I don't want to get into a big debate.. but lets see here... Whether you think Cruz is only a "slot receiver" and easily replaceable because of that, its really quite simple.. Victor Cruz as a "slot receiver" has been better overall than either Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe (outside of one great year with 15TD and 1000+ yards) and both got HUGE paydays because they are #1 receivers.. Now you dont want to pay the man because you feel the Giants are going to get into cap trouble like usual? Fine.. but PLEASE stop saying that Cruz is only worth X amount.. He's been better than both of these guys who just signed huge deals who are #1 WRs.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ElIteManning10 View Post
              I don't want to get into a big debate.. but lets see here... Whether you think Cruz is only a "slot receiver" and easily replaceable because of that, its really quite simple.. Victor Cruz as a "slot receiver" has been better overall than either Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe (outside of one great year with 15TD and 1000+ yards) and both got HUGE paydays because they are #1 receivers.. Now you dont want to pay the man because you feel the Giants are going to get into cap trouble like usual? Fine.. but PLEASE stop saying that Cruz is only worth X amount.. He's been better than both of these guys who just signed huge deals who are #1 WRs.
              ANd both those guys do things that Cruz cannot... Dominate on the outside.

              Also, don't confuse production with value.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Drez View Post
                ANd both those guys do things that Cruz cannot... Dominate on the outside.

                Also, don't confuse production with value.
                How else do you value someone? Nicks might have all the talent in the world, but he cant'stay on the freaking field.. so what's his "value" just because whenever he is healthy he can dominate on the outside?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ElIteManning10 View Post
                  How else do you value someone? Nicks might have all the talent in the world, but he cant'stay on the freaking field.. so what's his "value" just because whenever he is healthy he can dominate on the outside?
                  I don't have the time or energy to explain that to you right now. Go explore one of the other 30000 Cruz threads to find out.

                  And to your point about Nicks, his injuries have probably lowered his value from $12m+ to $8m-$10m.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Drez View Post
                    I don't have the time or energy to explain that to you right now. Go explore one of the other 30000 Cruz threads to find out.

                    And to your point about Nicks, his injuries have probably lowered his value from $12m+ to $8m-$10m.
                    I have read them (alot of them anyway).. The bottom line is if the Giants don't pay Cruz, someone will pay him. He will get a big payday one way or the other, whether with the Giants, or next year as a UFA

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ElIteManning10 View Post
                      I have read them (alot of them anyway).. The bottom line is if the Giants don't pay Cruz, someone will pay him. He will get a big payday one way or the other, whether with the Giants, or next year as a UFA
                      Just because another team may be willing to over pay for Cruz doesn't mean we should. Anything much over $8m/yr is over paying for Cruz. He cannot do the things that WRs need to do to earn that money, namely dominate outside the numbers.

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                      • #12
                        My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Drez View Post
                          He cannot do the things that WRs need to do to earn that money, namely dominate outside the numbers.
                          Why do WRs have to be dominate outside the numbers to get paid? A reliable inside guy is just or even more important than the guy that makes 1 play a game.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                            lol
                            " Loser's assemble in little group's and complain about the coaches and the player's in other little group's, but winner's assemble as a team " - Hall of Fame qoute by - Bill Parcells when he was speaking with Wellington Mara about the inscription of Emlen Tunnell's Hall of Fame.

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                            • #15
                              as ive been sayin from day 1 pretty much, hes an elite slot wr and a top 5 #2 WR. he will prob get top 5 #2 WR money. the negotiation is prob the giants trying to get the scale more on a slot wr scale and cruz trying for a more #1 WR scale...

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