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  • On twitter, Joe Staley disagrees with PFF about JPP

    Im on my phone so maybe someone else could post a pic of the quick conversation they had. PFF posted an article saying JPP wasn't an elite edge rusher, just an elite edge defender. Joe Staley replied saying that he was indeed one of the best edge rushers he has gone against alongside Aldon Smith and Clay Matthews.Just thought it would be interesting to share

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    I think the point is that he doesn't get consistent pressure like most elite edge rushers, even when they don't get sacks. I think technique will help him a lot. 6 sacks is not elite, so he will have to show us this season if he is worthy of that status.
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    • #3
      6 sacks isn't elite but when your being triple teamed bc the offense doesn't fear the other players on the D-line...then how can you be more productive? I think much like TC mentioned I think he could have been in better shape last year, I just think the amount of attention he received for opposing offenses wore him down.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by The Notorious B.I.G BLUE View Post
        6 sacks isn't elite but when your being triple teamed bc the offense doesn't fear the other players on the D-line...then how can you be more productive? I think much like TC mentioned I think he could have been in better shape last year, I just think the amount of attention he received for opposing offenses wore him down.
        I know I've beaten this point to hell but lets see what he does now that he won't be displaced on the right side by Osi in passing downs. Almost all his damage has been done as a RDE in his career. He spent most of last season and the end (and playoffs) of 2011 on the left side in passing downs.
        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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        • #5
          nice. sign of respect.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by drewz View Post
            Im on my phone so maybe someone else could post a pic of the quick conversation they had. PFF posted an article saying JPP wasn't an elite edge rusher, just an elite edge defender. Joe Staley replied saying that he was indeed one of the best edge rushers he has gone against alongside Aldon Smith and Clay Matthews.Just thought it would be interesting to share
            I've never felt that PFF was very good in their opinion based stats / blogs. If they focused on one team maybe, but there are too many variables to take into account for the stats/blogs they post (imo).

            Having said that, I think JPP lost a step since the Giants had him put on that weight. He's gained 25lbs since coming to the Giants. The other half of that though, is that the Giants defensive front rarely stunted/blitzed last year. It's a lot easier to protect against the same rush, snap after snap.
            I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
              I know I've beaten this point to hell but lets see what he does now that he won't be displaced on the right side by Osi in passing downs. Almost all his damage has been done as a RDE in his career. He spent most of last season and the end (and playoffs) of 2011 on the left side in passing downs.
              He was mostly a LDE in college IIRC.
              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Notorious B.I.G BLUE View Post
                6 sacks isn't elite but when your being triple teamed bc the offense doesn't fear the other players on the D-line...then how can you be more productive? I think much like TC mentioned I think he could have been in better shape last year, I just think the amount of attention he received for opposing offenses wore him down.
                It was JPP and Joseph on the line... no one else.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                  I've never felt that PFF was very good in their opinion based stats / blogs. If they focused on one team maybe, but there are too many variables to take into account for the stats/blogs they post (imo).

                  Having said that, I think JPP lost a step since the Giants had him put on that weight. He's gained 25lbs since coming to the Giants. The other half of that though, is that the Giants defensive front rarely stunted/blitzed last year. It's a lot easier to protect against the same rush, snap after snap.
                  they are one of the most over hyped opinions I've honestly ever heard.
                  https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheeBloodSport/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                    He was mostly a LDE in college IIRC.
                    With us...his best work was at RDE.
                    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
                      they are one of the most over hyped opinions I've honestly ever heard.
                      Our entire defense was over hyped after we won the SB. Our defense was poop most of the season.
                      http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                      http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                        Our entire defense was over hyped after we won the SB. Our defense was poop most of the season.
                        regular season is a means to get into the playoffs and to fuel fantasy football

                        other then that, tell me how a team plays in the playoffs and that's how they will be remembered.
                        https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheeBloodSport/

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                          I've never felt that PFF was very good in their opinion based stats / blogs. If they focused on one team maybe, but there are too many variables to take into account for the stats/blogs they post (imo).

                          Having said that, I think JPP lost a step since the Giants had him put on that weight. He's gained 25lbs since coming to the Giants. The other half of that though, is that the Giants defensive front rarely stunted/blitzed last year. It's a lot easier to protect against the same rush, snap after snap.
                          They're getting better and I like the fact they try to evolve their criteria instead of relying on flawed stats like ESPN gives us. No one should solely rely on a site like PFF or Football Outsiders to determine how good a player truly is though. It's just another opinion (how you value it is up to you) to compare with yours and make a potentially better judgement.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                            They're getting better and I like the fact they try to evolve their criteria instead of relying on flawed stats like ESPN gives us. No one should solely rely on a site like PFF or Football Outsiders to determine how good a player truly is though. It's just another opinion (how you value it is up to you) to compare with yours and make a potentially better judgement.
                            I definitely like the concept and maybe even the formula does work - but I just don't think they know what they are seeing when they see it.


                            For instance when they called Rolle the worst safety in the league two years ago even though he played like 75% of the snaps at corner
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                              With us...his best work was at RDE.
                              Well, he hasn't had the body of work at LDE with the Giants to say otherwise.

                              But yeah, I'd rather see him drop 15lbs, get that step back and continue rushing the blind side.

                              Apparently the Giants want to see if he can replace Tuck on the left side. If we can get a really good rusher on the right, then I think it has the potential to be a home run (given that we didn't draft one of the LDEs in the draft).
                              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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