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    I wanted to pushpin all of the Oline picks from the JR era onto a map and it looks like he only picks olinemen (with 3 exceptions) from east of the Mississippi. I wonder how many scouts are responsible for the south and north east schools? These seem to be the guys that are failing at their jobs in addition to the GM. 12 olinemen selected in 89 picks. A measly 13% of our last decade worth of draft picks were spent on an offensive lineman!! No wonder this line is so terrible!!

    https://www.zeemaps.com/view?group=2...39.250883&z=13

    Adam Koets is on there twice. #3 on the map is Will Beatty in Connecticut.
    Last edited by J. Tuck Rule; 10-11-2017, 11:10 AM.

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    +1

    the scouts are missing on a lot IMO.

    League wide it's an issue though. The college game has changed so much with these spread offenses that it's tough to evaluate whose game will transpire to the NFL game. Look around the league. Scoring is down not b/c defense is catching up to offense IMO. It's b/c the blocking is terrible.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by J. Tuck Rule View Post
      it looks like he only picks olinemen from east of the Mississippi.
      Further proof that the wheels fell off this wagon a long time ago.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by NYSPORTS View Post
        +1

        the scouts are missing on a lot IMO.

        League wide it's an issue though. The college game has changed so much with these spread offenses that it's tough to evaluate whose game will transpire to the NFL game. Look around the league. Scoring is down not b/c defense is catching up to offense IMO. It's b/c the blocking is terrible.
        Someone that gets it.

        You see a lot of blaming JR around here without looking at any context.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NYSPORTS View Post
          +1

          the scouts are missing on a lot IMO.

          League wide it's an issue though. The college game has changed so much with these spread offenses that it's tough to evaluate whose game will transpire to the NFL game. Look around the league. Scoring is down not b/c defense is catching up to offense IMO. It's b/c the blocking is terrible.
          It is true that the college game does not produce NFL-ready OL much.

          But look at the Raiders and Cowboys (and the likes). They are still able to build insanely stout offensive lines using the same talent pool.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by J. Tuck Rule View Post
            I wanted to pushpin all of the Oline picks from the JR era onto a map and it looks like he only picks olinemen (with 3 exceptions) from east of the Mississippi. I wonder how many scouts are responsible for the south and north east schools? These seem to be the guys that are failing at their jobs in addition to the GM. 12 olinemen selected in 89 picks. A measly 13% of our last decade worth of draft picks were spent on an offensive lineman!! No wonder this line is so terrible!!

            https://www.zeemaps.com/view?group=2...39.250883&z=13

            Adam Koets is on there twice. #3 on the map is Will Beatty in Connecticut.
            Since will Beatty a 2nd rounder, the giants have drafted Pugh 1st round, richburgh 2nd, flowers 1st round. So in 9 years, they have had 19 1st and 2nd round picks 4 have been used on the oline so that's 1/5 or 21% of the first and second round picks have been used on the oline. That's a pretty good investment if you ask me.
            [SIGPIC]

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CGYgiant View Post

              Someone that gets it.

              You see a lot of blaming JR around here without looking at any context.
              +1

              right back at ya

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              • #8
                Originally posted by buried_in_snow View Post

                It is true that the college game does not produce NFL-ready OL much.

                But look at the Raiders and Cowboys (and the likes). They are still able to build insanely stout offensive lines using the same talent pool.
                The raiders built their line from FA.

                Cowboys are the exception. If anything, you being able to name just 1 team in the league having a great OL built from the draft should tell you something.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NYSPORTS View Post
                  +1

                  the scouts are missing on a lot IMO.

                  League wide it's an issue though. The college game has changed so much with these spread offenses that it's tough to evaluate whose game will transpire to the NFL game. Look around the league. Scoring is down not b/c defense is catching up to offense IMO. It's b/c the blocking is terrible.
                  Well said. Each team needs 5 that is 160 NFL caliber O-linemen per season. On the high side a payer may average 7 seasons . Some less Some more. The average Draft produce 15 average to above average linemen 15 X 7 = 105 that leaves 55 below average O-linemen deficit every season in the NFL.
                  Never go to battle with the intellectually unarmed.

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                  • #10
                    There is a good radio interview with Chris Snee talking about this exact subject. It was a post on these boards a couple weeks ago. He is doing some scouting work for the Jags and says it’s pretty damn hard to find OL that WANT to “come off the ball” (run block) these days. You could tell he was pretty unimpressed with how the position has changed.

                    You have to be very careful with OL now...the bust rate is skyrocketing and it’s kinda like QBs who have never played a pro style offence....they’ve never been asked to do the things they’re expected to do every SNAP in the NFL. Basically every OL is a project pick and your making your best guess as to who would be able to do the things you want...there isn’t much college tape showing you the kind of OL technique you’d want to see out of a pro
                    Last edited by TE88; 10-11-2017, 05:13 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TEM View Post

                      Well said. Each team needs 5 that is 160 NFL caliber O-linemen per season. On the high side a payer may average 7 seasons . Some less Some more. The average Draft produce 15 average to above average linemen 15 X 7 = 105 that leaves 55 below average O-linemen deficit every season in the NFL.

                      Good data Ty

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CGYgiant View Post

                        The raiders built their line from FA.

                        Cowboys are the exception. If anything, you being able to name just 1 team in the league having a great OL built from the draft should tell you something.

                        Well "and the likes" implies more than one OL.

                        To name a couple others:

                        PHI (mostly built through the draft)
                        TEN (mostly built through the draft)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NYSPORTS View Post


                          Good data Ty
                          It is simple math. The anomaly was 2009 probably the best o-line draft class ever. Every other draft the data is leads to the conclusion that the NFL has an O-linemen quality problem.
                          Never go to battle with the intellectually unarmed.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TEM View Post

                            It is simple math. The anomaly was 2009 probably the best o-line draft class ever. Every other draft the data is leads to the conclusion that the NFL has an O-linemen quality problem.

                            League wide blocking is atrocious and i don't see it gettting any better. I hope a player like Wheeler or Bostony(spell) get stronger during this redshirt season and can help. The blocking is brutal.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NYSPORTS View Post


                              League wide blocking is atrocious and i don't see it gettting any better. I hope a player like Wheeler or Bostony(spell) get stronger during this redshirt season and can help. The blocking is brutal.
                              This is where a coach that knows how to mask his teams deficiencies is the difference between winning and losing .
                              Never go to battle with the intellectually unarmed.

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