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  • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
    besides the obvious top 5, i'd take Flacco, Dalton, Luck, Romo, Vick, Cutler, Stafford, RG3, Ryan, Cam, Kaepernick, and Wilson all over Rivers going into this year
    I agree with all but Dalton and Vick . . . .

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    • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
      besides the obvious top 5, i'd take Flacco, Dalton, Luck, Romo, Vick, Cutler, Stafford, RG3, Ryan, Cam, Kaepernick, and Wilson all over Rivers going into this year

      forgot Ben

      I'd say borderline about Vick and Romo... but I would solidly take every other guy over him.
      Vick, Romo, Cam, and Cutler are iffy.
      Mood: WOOF!

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      • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
        Vick, Romo, Cam, and Cutler are iffy.
        na, Cam head and shoulders. If he gets a team around him Carolina will be scary.

        i'll concede that Romo and Vick are debatable

        but you put cutler in San Diego, they might of won a playoff game or two
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        • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
          na, Cam head and shoulders. If he gets a team around him Carolina will be scary.



          i'll concede that Romo and Vick are debatable



          but you put cutler in San Diego, they might of won a playoff game or two
          Wait, isn't your opinion based on performance? On their own teams?
          Mood: WOOF!

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          • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
            Wait, isn't your opinion based on performance? On their own teams?
            im talking about whose better player. However u want to dice it. Cutler has done ALOT with the worst line in the past twenty years and probably equally talents receiver core pre-marshall.
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            • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
              im talking about whose better player. However u want to dice it. Cutler has done ALOT with the worst line in the past twenty years and probably equally talents receiver core pre-marshall.
              True.

              I honestly think Cutler is more inconsistent than Eli. Just my opinion.
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              • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
                besides the obvious top 5, i'd take Flacco, Dalton, Luck, Romo, Vick, Cutler, Stafford, RG3, Ryan, Cam, Kaepernick, and Wilson all over Rivers going into this year

                forgot Ben

                I'd say borderline about Vick and Romo... but I would solidly take every other guy over him.
                Cam, Wilson, Kap, and RG3 haven't been doing it long enough to get a vote over a QB that over 9 years has a higher QB rating than Eli and that is with his 67 fumbles.

                Romo is even less clutch than Rivers, but on paper and when you see him play he's better than Eli except when it counts the most. In quarters one through three Romo is, dare I say, elite.

                You can make a legitimate argument for Stafford and Ryan being better than Rivers.

                Vick...c'mon. Cutler gambles too much.

                I like what I see out of Dalton. Haven't watched him enough and compared him to Rivers.

                Rivers will have a good year this year with no real star at WR and an aging Gates. In terms of pure throwing ability he's better than Eli, fortunately for us it takes more than throwing ability to make a GREAT QB.
                Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                  True.

                  I honestly think Cutler is more inconsistent than Eli. Just my opinion.
                  . Bdef is, but there were a lot of contributing factors to that. There are def a few that are debatable on that list, but I think its safe to say Rivers isn't in the top 10 around the league anymore.
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                  • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                    Cam, Wilson, Kap, and RG3 haven't been doing it long enough to get a vote over a QB that over 9 years has a higher QB rating than Eli and that is with his 67 fumbles.

                    Romo is even less clutch than Rivers, but on paper and when you see him play he's better than Eli except when it counts the most. In quarters one through three Romo is, dare I say, elite.

                    You can make a legitimate argument for Stafford and Ryan being better than Rivers.

                    Vick...c'mon. Cutler gambles too much.

                    I like what I see out of Dalton. Haven't watched him enough and compared him to Rivers.

                    Rivers will have a good year this year with no real star at WR and an aging Gates. In terms of pure throwing ability he's better than Eli, fortunately for us it takes more than throwing ability to make a GREAT QB.
                    You act like Rivers is elite or something. Guys has been degressing for the past 3 years. He is awful to watch. Get the 2008 Rivers out of your head. He peeked one year with yards and then has been brutal
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                    • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
                      . Bdef is, but there were a lot of contributing factors to that. There are def a few that are debatable on that list, but I think its safe to say Rivers isn't in the top 10 around the league anymore.
                      You are probably right about Rivers but I have a feeling he's going to have a resurgence this season with a new coaching staff and system.
                      That was a toxic situation in SD.
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
                        im talking about whose better player. However u want to dice it. Cutler has done ALOT with the worst line in the past twenty years and probably equally talents receiver core pre-marshall.
                        No way. Tubby built that team to win with defense first then he kicked up the offense. For most of the time Tubby was there they were defense first. I do agree he's had some of the worst lines ever and until Marshall not much to throw to. He may have the best arm in the league, but he makes awful decisions. He's gotten better the past couple of years.
                        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                          I do look at the results. I see great play and horrific play in the same guy. We won 2 SB's and that's a great result. But its not the only story with Eli. It is usually different with other QB's, because those who win multiple SB's are usually great all the time.
                          Its just not the case with Eli. So much up and down.
                          This is why, even experts can't agree on Eli.
                          A lot of the experts are starting to give Eli more credit. How often do we see the other QB's play. We mostly see their highlights. The last few times against us Rodgers and Brady haven't looked so great.
                          Engage brain before speaking.

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                          • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
                            You act like Rivers is elite or something. Guys has been degressing for the past 3 years. He is awful to watch. Get the 2008 Rivers out of your head. He peeked one year with yards and then has been brutal
                            He's had two off years. Last year him and Eli had identical stats just about and last year was one of his 2 off years.
                            Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                              You are probably right about Rivers but I have a feeling he's going to have a resurgence this season with a new coaching staff and system.
                              That was a toxic situation in SD.
                              He's got a bad Oline. I think he'll be better too.
                              Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                              http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                              • Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                                yeah...most great QBs come from crappy teams.......
                                some great QB's have made some would be crappy teams look better example colts

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