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  • #16
    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    I have to admit that I never thought of Eli as the foundation of our team...
    When you take a quarterback with the first pick and move up to get him....ummm yeah he is the foundation of our team. Then and now.
    sigpicShould the Giants fire Gilbride....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONL7L...yer_detailpage

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
      A very interesting read which confirms EA knew his stuff. I highlighted some things in italic that I feel are worthwhile to point out and I'll touch on them afterwards.



      Wears left knee brace… During pregame warmup, didn't look like he had a rocket arm… As game progressed, I saw excellent arm strength under pressure and the ability to get velocity on the ball on most throws. Good deep ball range. Good touch. Good vision and poise.

      Sees the field… In shotgun on most plays and his only running option is a draw… his offensive line is poor. Red-shirt freshman left tackle. Eli doesn't trust his protection. Can't. No way he can take any form of a deep drop and look downfield. With no running game (10 yards rushing the first half) and no real top receivers, he's stuck with the three-step drops and waiting til the last second to see if a receiver can get free. No tight end either. No flaring back. So he's taking some big hits. Taking them well. Carried an overmatched team entirely on his shoulders. I imagine, except for Vanderbilt, his team is overmatched in every SEC game… He's big, never gets rattled. Rallied his team from a 14-3 halftime deficit basically all by himself. Led them on two successive third quarter drives to go ahead, 17-16. The first touchdown, a 40-yard streak down the left sideline, he dropped the ball over the receiver's right shoulder. Called the next touchdown pass himself, checking off to a 12-yard slant… Makes a lot of decisions on play calls at the line of scrimmage, but they ask too much of him. They don't just let him play. This is a guy you should just let play… When he's inaccurate, he's usually high, but rarely off target to either side… Plays smart and with complete confidence. Doesn't scold his teammates, but lets them know when they line up wrong or run the wrong pattern… Threw three interceptions. Two were his fault. Trying to force something both times. He could have run on one of them, a fourth down play. He has a lot to learn.

      Summary: I think he's the complete package. He's not going to be a fast runner, but a little like Joe Montana, he has enough athletic ability to get out of trouble. Remember how Archie ran? In that department, Eli doesn't have the best genes, although I never timed mom Olivia in the 40. But he has a feel for the pocket.

      Feels the rush.

      Throws the ball, takes the hit, gets right back up… Has courage and poise. In my opinion, most of all, he has that quality you can't define. Call it magic…Peyton had much better talent around him at Tennessee. But I honestly give this guy a chance to be better than his brother. Eli doesn't get much help from the coaching staff. If he comes out early, we should move up to take him. These guys are rare, you know.

      Ernie Accorsi




      First thing of note is Ernie's recognition that Eli is the type of player that coaches should just let play. Don't we all agree that Eli is bogged down with too much crap in KG's system?

      Next, he's inaccurate throwing high. We still see evidence of that even today.

      Forces passes and could have run. Again, two things he could still improve upon.

      Has a good feel for the pocket and moves well enough to get out of trouble.

      Lastly, Ernie touches on Eli's "magic". No doubt Eli is an unusually special player.
      Well what do you know EA is basically calling him tough, something that a lot of people were failing to admit. He's also saying that this kid is good with even a shot o-line.
      sigpicShould the Giants fire Gilbride....

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONL7L...yer_detailpage

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
        I have to admit that I never thought of Eli as the foundation of our team...
        Imagine if he was ever injured for a year -- or when he retires. How many games did Eli save in 2011 and we were 9-7 with those saves?
        8-Time NFL Champions - 1927 1934 1938 1956 1986 1990 2007 2011

        "You win close games because you're prepared to do it. It doesn't just come down to luck." -- Bill Parcells

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        • #19
          Let's hear a BIG OLE MISS HOTTY TODDY for bringing us Eli Manning !!!!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
            Waiting til the last second? Takes big hits? My scout tells me he doesn't do that. Lets for arguments sake call him Boarhead
            No one is perfect.
            He DID trade up to draft Sinorice Moss.........
            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
              I have to admit that I never thought of Eli as the foundation of our team...
              I think a lot of the older posters, myself included, struggle with that.
              Every single day I log onto this message board thinking i've seen it all, every single day I am wrong...NYGiants2120

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              • #22
                He regressed and he is now not the foundatiom of our team? Is Drew Brees not the foundation of the Saints because of his iffy season? (Don't bring up 40 td's because he still struggled). Without Eli, we wouldn't have won the SB in 2007 or 2011. We live and die by Eli's play on the field. He is very much so the foundation of this team.
                Mood: WOOF!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by fansince69 View Post
                  Every time he drops back to pass it seems like I hold my breath ....I never know which team will end up with the ball....but on the other end of the spectrum I never feel like we are out of a game....and going into the 4th quarter I always feel like somehow he will find a way to pull it out...I agree with Rosie....he is not exactly reassuring but it sure is exciting ,,,,,,I have to admit this is a good time to be a Giants fan and we will miss Eli when we try to get through the next Dave Brown
                  Yes, no doubt it's been a helluva ride so far with Eli.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
                    When you take a quarterback with the first pick and move up to get him....ummm yeah he is the foundation of our team. Then and now.
                    Eli was the jewel in the draft, but he didn't come in and light up the league by any stretch. Three years in and our GM is referring to him as skittish.

                    So no, when I think in terms of that word I don't think of Eli, I think of his brother.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
                      Eli was the jewel in the draft, but he didn't come in and light up the league by any stretch. Three years in and our GM is referring to him as skittish.

                      So no, when I think in terms of that word I don't think of Eli, I think of his brother.
                      he didnt act or perform like the "foundation" at first but he was certainly drafted/traded to be just that. Like most QBs.....
                      "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                      You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by giants8493 View Post
                        this is it?
                        Yes.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                          he didnt act or perform like the "foundation" at first but he was certainly drafted/traded to be just that. Like most QBs.....
                          Totally agree.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SweetZombieJesus View Post
                            Imagine if he was ever injured for a year -- or when he retires. How many games did Eli save in 2011 and we were 9-7 with those saves?
                            I believe he saved more games in 2011 than he saved in 2008,2009 and 2010 combined.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Delicreep View Post
                              I think a lot of the older posters, myself included, struggle with that.
                              Which is not meant as an insult in anyway. Maybe it's simply an age thing.
                              Last edited by Roosevelt; 06-20-2013, 11:02 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
                                I believe he saved more games in 2011 than he saved in 2008,2009 and 2010 combined.
                                He had a little help form Cruz, Nicks and JPP.
                                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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