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  • #76
    Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    I think Eli is more clutch then Peyton but not a better QB then Peyton, if that makes sense. I feel the same way about Eli when I compare him to Romo.

    I brought this up because Ernie thought he had a chance to be better than Peyton.

    I disagree with the just let him play thinking. I think part of the advantage of the Mannings is they make great decisions. I feel very comfortable with Eli having the power to call and change plays at the line. It truly is his offense now.
    Interesting. I've always felt he plays better when he doesn't have to play "beat the clock". And KG's recent comments do indicate that his understanding of what the coaches are trying to do, as well as his ability to recognize the disguises he's facing defensively are still a work in progress.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
      Interesting. I've always felt he plays better when he doesn't have to play "beat the clock". And KG's recent comments do indicate that his understanding of what the coaches are trying to do, as well as his ability to recognize the disguises he's facing defensively are still a work in progress.
      Wow! You don't think Eli is at his best in the 2 minute drill trying to "beat the clock"? I do. I think it stems from the fact that is how he played ball at Ole Miss as Ernie observed.
      Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

      http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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      • #78
        Originally posted by NYGinIN666 View Post
        I've never fully embraced the concept of a foundational player; specifically team sports. Of course, there's influential, instrumental, and talented players, but not foundational. Players do not exist in isolation, there's no center, there's no foundation, there's no reason to privilege any one position of another's because they need each other. Some positions are more important in different situations but that is fluid too. Foundation begins to emerge in the spaces between players, foundation is something practiced and shared between 11 guys, or 22 guys, or 53 guys. Team is the foundation
        , the players are the bricks. A foundation is stronger because the bricks are assembled well, not because one bears more of a load than another's.
        Well said. I've never thought of using that word to describe any throughout our history. I think that word is best suited for Wellington Mara.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
          I think Eli is more clutch then Peyton but not a better QB then Peyton, if that makes sense. I feel the same way about Eli when I compare him to Romo.

          I brought this up because Ernie thought he had a chance to be better than Peyton.

          I disagree with the just let him play thinking. I think part of the advantage of the Mannings is they make great decisions. I feel very comfortable with Eli having the power to call and change plays at the line. It truly is his offense now.
          I actually agree with Ernie. Eli isn't the most efficient passer out there. He's not going to go 14-20 for 250 and 2 TDs even if he has all day to throw. He's a high volume passer. In order to get the most out of him, you just gotta let him loose.
          http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
          http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
          http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

          Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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          • #80
            Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
            Wow! You don't think Eli is at his best in the 2 minute drill trying to "beat the clock"? I do. I think it stems from the fact that is how he played ball at Ole Miss as Ernie observed.
            Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. In the two minute drill absolutely, he's tremendous and our coaching staff is very good too. But I was referring to him coming at of the huddle (late) and trying to set the play while the play clock is dwindling. And for the record, I'm not knocking him, I just don't enjoy that part of our offense.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
              Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. In the two minute drill absolutely, he's tremendous and our coaching staff is very good too. But I was referring to him coming at of the huddle (late) and trying to set the play while the play clock is dwindling. And for the record, I'm not knocking him, I just don't enjoy that part of our offense.
              I still honestly wonder....... is it Eli getting out of the huddle late or is he getting the play late?? and that's the cause.....Just seems to convenient to just blame Eli every time
              "When I was 15, I could not believe how dumb my father was.....when I was 25, I could not believe how much he had learned in 10 years"

              1st to use the phrase "In Reese we trust"

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              • #82
                he was really accurate on his assessment. he often early in his career was wild high, he doesnt have the best genes athletic wise and he often forces passes resulting in too many ints. but he has some sort of special magic that he can throw off his back foot while eyes closed and make a outstanding play when most of us are thinking oohhhh noooo. he works hard is a smart player and just over all a good guy.

                if i was EA and saw him throw 3 ints i would have rated him much lower. but EA we know was crazy about last names after he missed out on FA ronde Barber.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                  I actually agree with Ernie. Eli isn't the most efficient passer out there. He's not going to go 14-20 for 250 and 2 TDs even if he has all day to throw. He's a high volume passer. In order to get the most out of him, you just gotta let him loose.
                  I prefer Eli's numbers to look like 2008 in this Gilbride offense because it means the running game is doing the job it's supposed to do.
                  Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                  http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by fansince69 View Post
                    I still honestly wonder....... is it Eli getting out of the huddle late or is he getting the play late?? and that's the cause.....Just seems to convenient to just blame Eli every time
                    I think it's Gilbride. Eli always looks pissed when he has to call a timeout.
                    Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by fansince69 View Post
                      I still honestly wonder....... is it Eli getting out of the huddle late or is he getting the play late?? and that's the cause.....Just seems to convenient to just blame Eli every time
                      Agreed, which is why I said I wasn't knocking him. I do believe it's our system.

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                      • #86
                        Eli is a big game player, would never count out the Giants in the playoffs while he is the quarteback

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                          he was really accurate on his assessment. he often early in his career was wild high, he doesnt have the best genes athletic wise and he often forces passes resulting in too many ints. but he has some sort of special magic that he can throw off his back foot while eyes closed and make a outstanding play when most of us are thinking oohhhh noooo. he works hard is a smart player and just over all a good guy.

                          if i was EA and saw him throw 3 ints i would have rated him much lower. but EA we know was crazy about last names after he missed out on FA ronde Barber.
                          this might be the worst explanation/summary possible of what EA actually said

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                            I actually agree with Ernie. Eli isn't the most efficient passer out there. He's not going to go 14-20 for 250 and 2 TDs even if he has all day to throw. He's a high volume passer. In order to get the most out of him, you just gotta let him loose.
                            Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                            I prefer Eli's numbers to look like 2008 in this Gilbride offense because it means the running game is doing the job it's supposed to do.
                            True, but with 2 1000 yard rushers, you'd expect much better numbers. Heck, when Ben was playing game manager with Bettis, he had a phenomenal year where all he had to do was hit the open man. He had some games where he went something like 14-20 2 TDs and 250 yards.

                            To maximize Eli imo, he needs to throw more. I'm not saying that the Giants as a whole will be more successful, but Eli personally will play better.
                            http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                            http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                            http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                            Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                              he was really accurate on his assessment. he often early in his career was wild high, he doesnt have the best genes athletic wise and he often forces passes resulting in too many ints. but he has some sort of special magic that he can throw off his back foot while eyes closed and make a outstanding play when most of us are thinking oohhhh noooo. he works hard is a smart player and just over all a good guy.

                              if i was EA and saw him throw 3 ints i would have rated him much lower. but EA we know was crazy about last names after he missed out on FA ronde Barber.
                              more backhanded BS from the you....nice....
                              Last edited by GameTime; 06-21-2013, 08:47 AM.
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                              • #90
                                i honestly cant fathom how some of these "thoughts" are being reached, how far off base and out of whack...kinda impossible to believe.

                                somehow Pitt wanting to limit Bens pass attempts those first two yrs with Bettis bc he was absolutely terrible when he had thrown for more than like 18 passes. It was 1 of the only times i'd ever seen a qb get the tebow treatment long before tebow (ya know, run run run. pass if you have to out of desperation). Pitt went something like 10-0 when ben had less than 20 attempts and no tds lmfao...yeah he really knew how to maximize his game where eli needs "more passes and should be more like ben those first years and maximize his play" unfrigging believable lmao. big ben maximized his play so much it rubbed off on randle el who was the better qb (as a WR) that first SB (where ben had the worst performance by a sb qb all time iirc?)big ben was the ultimate "put in someone to manage his attempts and not turn it over" QB those first few yrs.
                                Last edited by giantsfan420; 06-21-2013, 09:04 AM.

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