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  • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    We won in 2 different manners in 2007 and 2011. What coaches do and what I do is try to see how they won in order to maintain that high level of performance. I don't think 2011 is a model for consistent success. Even the coaches admit they want more balance. We were never more dominant than in 2008.

    I know you're happy with the win but the ultimate goal is to continue winning. Welcome to the next level.
    Na your more concerned with stats and regular season records. I could care less ultimately what our regular season record is, just as long as we get into the playoffs. We've made the playoffs with 8 wins, and missed with 10. The only purpose is to get into the playoffs, where its a new season within the season.

    And THATS what I end up judging our performances on.

    Sure to an extent we judge regular season and we go back and forth with numbers, but its all about the post season.
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheeBloodSport/

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    • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
      Na your more concerned with stats and regular season records. I could care less ultimately what our regular season record is, just as long as we get into the playoffs. We've made the playoffs with 8 wins, and missed with 10. The only purpose is to get into the playoffs, where its a new season within the season.

      And THATS what I end up judging our performances on.

      Sure to an extent we judge regular season and we go back and forth with numbers, but its all about the post season.
      +1

      . . . .and I like your Gandolfini avatar better than mine!

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      • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
        Na your more concerned with stats and regular season records. I could care less ultimately what our regular season record is, just as long as we get into the playoffs. We've made the playoffs with 8 wins, and missed with 10. The only purpose is to get into the playoffs, where its a new season within the season.

        And THATS what I end up judging our performances on.

        Sure to an extent we judge regular season and we go back and forth with numbers, but its all about the post season.
        Correct.

        I think people knock Eli even though they say it doesn't matter, because his stats are not up to par with other quarterbacks. It's quite obvious. At some point, you have to look past that and see the end result. Individual quarterback records and statistics are great, and I understand that Eli may not possess the talents that his peers have, but you are looking at only one aspect and not the entire body of work.
        Mood: WOOF!

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        • By the way, when did Super bowls become team wins? But regular season games are quarterback showcases?
          Mood: WOOF!

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          • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
            By the way, when did Super bowls become team wins? But regular season games are quarterback showcases?
            excellent comment
            https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheeBloodSport/

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            • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
              Correct.

              I think people knock Eli even though they say it doesn't matter, because his stats are not up to par with other quarterbacks. It's quite obvious. At some point, you have to look past that and see the end result. Individual quarterback records and statistics are great, and I understand that Eli may not possess the talents that his peers have, but you are looking at only one aspect and not the entire body of work.
              I think I speak for most people on here that we are perfectly happy and most importantly, comfortable with Eli as our QB. You can't argue with making the playoffs and SB as results. He kind of molds his play by doing what the team needs him to do during the situation. It isn't pretty, but he does JUST enough, to get by. Even if he has a terrible game, he'll still do just enough to make the game close and lead one of his game winning drives.

              But as a whole, he certainly gets it done.
              http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
              http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
              http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

              Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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              • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                By the way, when did Super bowls become team wins? But regular season games are quarterback showcases?
                Wins are a team accomplishment, regardless of when.
                http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                • Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
                  Now you claim that Eli throws with his eyes closed.

                  You really are bitter that Tiki never got a SuperBowl Ring.
                  its an expression but.....

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                  • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
                    it drives me INSANE
                    Thank you. Glad to know I'm not alone.

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                    • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                      Correct.

                      I think people knock Eli even though they say it doesn't matter, because his stats are not up to par with other quarterbacks. It's quite obvious. At some point, you have to look past that and see the end result. Individual quarterback records and statistics are great, and I understand that Eli may not possess the talents that his peers have, but you are looking at only one aspect and not the entire body of work.
                      Not me.

                      I just want to win. I could care less about his stats.

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                      • Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                        its an expression but.....

                        I knew this was coming.

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                        • Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                          I think I speak for most people on here that we are perfectly happy and most importantly, comfortable with Eli as our QB. You can't argue with making the playoffs and SB as results. He kind of molds his play by doing what the team needs him to do during the situation. It isn't pretty, but he does JUST enough, to get by. Even if he has a terrible game, he'll still do just enough to make the game close and lead one of his game winning drives.

                          But as a whole, he certainly gets it done.
                          The only time I was ever comfortable watching the Giants was towards the end of the 1986 season. Other than that I'm not comfortable and it doesn't matter who my QB is.

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                          • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                            He 's got a voodoo doll with MS written on it that he sticks every time you make post questioning Eli's greatness.
                            it wasnt MS's post i responded too lol. A+++++++ effort tho

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                            • Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
                              Na your more concerned with stats and regular season records. I could care less ultimately what our regular season record is, just as long as we get into the playoffs. We've made the playoffs with 8 wins, and missed with 10. The only purpose is to get into the playoffs, where its a new season within the season.

                              And THATS what I end up judging our performances on.

                              Sure to an extent we judge regular season and we go back and forth with numbers, but its all about the post season.
                              You've defeated your own argument. If I was more concerned with stats and regular season success then why would I want our QB to replicate a year where his stats were not that great? 2008 Eli posted the worst stats over all in the last 5 years, yet our overall regular season team performance has never been as dominant as it was in 2008. Dominance will more often lead to postseason success then not, even though the result was not what we had hoped that year.

                              You can't build a team based on wins and losses. You build a formula for success based on how you win and lose. We won't win consistently trying to turn it on in the last 5 games of the regular season or having Eli throw as much as he did in 2011. I want a style of offense that gives us the best chance to win it all. I think 2008 was the best I've seen us look. I hope this clarifies my point.
                              Last edited by B&RWarrior; 06-21-2013, 09:26 PM.
                              Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                              http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                              • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                                it wasnt MS's post i responded too lol. A+++++++ effort tho
                                So the name changes on the doll but the sentiment expressed in my post remains.
                                Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                                http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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