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  • #31
    Originally posted by jomo View Post
    For me, serviceable is a low bar meant for non starters, good locker room influence, reserved for guys who stay healthy, keep their noses clean and who can help out in a number of areas. For me, Bear meets that threshold however if we find someone better, he is expendable. We might be splitting hairs here but serviceable and expendable are about an eighth inch apart for me.
    to me, the definition of a "serviceable" guy is a guy who may not be great or even good, but gets the job done.

    I do not see how anyone can say the Bear gets the job done, especially as a TE. For example would you consider Beckum, released last year to be a "serviceable" player? Because his stats were better than Pascoe's. It used to be people would argue" but bear is a blocking TE" however, that simply isn't the case. In fact, he is a far better lead blocker than he ever was at end line blocking, and he is marginal at that. We didn't even use him as a end line blocker last year, instead often choosing to bring in tackles to play the extra TE in goaline situations.

    I am merely pointing out that I do believe he is 1 of the guys who is battling for a spot this year and isn't a given as Egyptian implied above.

    Again, there have been a very large number of somewhat abnormal circumstances that allowed him to stay with the team in recent years. His biggest asset is that he can be a backup FB, which is his only hope this year imho. Again, I can look down the roster of last year and find maybe 1 player who contributed less than Pascoe. It seems pretty simple logic to try to improve our roster from top to bottom you 1st start by trying to get players in who contribute more.
    Last edited by BlueSanta; 06-20-2013, 08:30 PM.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
      to me, the definition of a "serviceable" guy is a guy who may not be great or even good, but gets the job done.

      I do not see how anyone can say the Bear gets the job done, especially as a TE. For example would you consider Beckum, released last year to be a "serviceable" player? Because his stats were better than Pascoe's. It used to be people would argue" but bear is a blocking TE" however, that simply isn't the case. In fact, he is a far better lead blocker than he ever was at end line blocking, and he is marginal at that. We didn't even use him as a end line blocker last year, instead often choosing to bring in tackles to play the extra TE in goaline situations.

      I am merely pointing out that I do believe he is 1 of the guys who is battling for a spot this year and isn't a given as Egyptian implied above.

      Again, there have been a very large number of somewhat abnormal circumstances that allowed him to stay with the team in recent years. His biggest asset is that he can be a backup FB, which is his only hope this year imho. Again, I can look down the roster of last year and find maybe 1 player who contributed less than Pascoe. It seems pretty simple logic to try to improve our roster from top to bottom you 1st start by trying to get players in who contribute more.
      I'm not far from you but part of "serviceable" includes "cheap." If we could toss him and replace him with a better minimum contract player (which is what he is making now) I am sure JR would do it.
      No one remembers who came in second.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by jomo View Post
        I'm not far from you but part of "serviceable" includes "cheap." If we could toss him and replace him with a better minimum contract player (which is what he is making now) I am sure JR would do it.
        I agree price has something to do with it. But most 3rd TEs in the league are paid the minimum. I think the guy Pascoe has to worry abot this year is Chase Clement. He is actually a blocking TE from LSU who Pope has said good things about. Being a RFA, I believe he would actually make less than Pascoe too. So your argument may not work in Bear's favor.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
          I agree price has something to do with it. But most 3rd TEs in the league are paid the minimum. I think the guy Pascoe has to worry abot this year is Chase Clement. He is actually a blocking TE from LSU who Pope has said good things about. Being a RFA, I believe he would actually make less than Pascoe too. So your argument may not work in Bear's favor.
          lol, I'm not agruing anything in Chase's favor. I love when second tier guys are sent packing. I trust the coaches and that tells me we are upgrading.
          No one remembers who came in second.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by jomo View Post
            lol, I'm not agruing anything in Chase's favor. I love when second tier guys are sent packing. I trust the coaches and that tells me we are upgrading.
            Well again, I am merely arguing with those that think Pascoe is a lock. He isn't. Not by a long shot. He has barely made the team almost every year with us and his production, which was never much, is on a decline. That's not a good combination.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
              I disagree. They signed him for a year when Hynoski was healthy. I don't think we're overloaded at TE
              My original point was that he would be cut if we picked up another FB and Hynoski came back. In that case, his flexibility as a TE and backup FB would not be needed.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by jomo View Post
                They'll look at any TE these days.
                Yeah.. things aren't so rosie in Chowdah Town.
                2 points here...
                Pascoe does offer the versatility that BB covets.. and
                For the love of Pete.. These " professional " football players that make all this money can't afford to employ just 1 person to do some additional thinking for them to keep them out of situations like this....take a lesson from the Godfather... you're not as smart as you think you are!
                my beer drinking team has a football problem

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  When Hynoski comes back, the season will have already started so Pascoe will make the team.
                  when he comes back. by that time, pascoe will have put a notch or two, hopefully good in his belt. he could then go back to TE or be a second FB option behind hynoski.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                    I disagree. They signed him for a year when Hynoski was healthy. I don't think we're overloaded at TE
                    It all depends on how long Hyno is out. If they have to use the new 6 week IR, then they will have to cut somebody upon Hyno's return.
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                    • #40
                      Pascoe's versatility will help him make the team this year; however, if Hyno was healthy I don't think I would be as certain....

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by poppa smurph View Post
                        Yeah.. things aren't so rosie in Chowdah Town.
                        2 points here...
                        Pascoe does offer the versatility that BB covets.. and
                        For the love of Pete.. These " professional " football players that make all this money can't afford to employ just 1 person to do some additional thinking for them to keep them out of situations like this....take a lesson from the Godfather... you're not as smart as you think you are!
                        Hernandez needed to hire someone to tell him not to kill anybody?

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