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  • #16
    Originally posted by SG88 View Post

    I am talking about total QBR. That stat actually considers when and how the plays were made by the QB. He ranked 14th in 2014, 16th in 2015, 27th in 2016, and 25th right now. The stat is extremely useful and does not let stat padders like the 2015 and 2016 versions of Blake Bortles off the hook. In case you were wondering, Eli's best year in terms of total QBR was in 2009, where even he couldn't carry this team because of its horrible Sheridan lead defense.
    I chose to look at it like this... How many pro bowl caliber players has he played with on offense during his career, especially at the skill positions? What about of late...the last 4 years? Beckham that's it. Now how many guys has he played with that are literally out of football? Has Eli lost some zip or a step? Of course he's 36 years old. Can you win with him? Looked like you could base of his throws last year in the playoff game in GB. What Eli needs above anything else is a offensive line. He's one of the last of the pocket passers, he's not going to make too many plays with his legs. Never has, cant fault him for his skill set.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by loadedaxe View Post
      Half the people posting here have no clue.

      We all know Eli isnt the best, he is a good QB though and I believe behind a better o-line and a decent running game he could win another SB.

      Most of his misfortunes have a lot of other factors involved.

      Look past the trees, theres a forrest out tthere.
      Iíve been saying this a while a better oline does more for this team then just keeping the QB upright.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kez Simpson View Post
        Nick Wright made the argument that Eli has been playing "terrible" and therefore deserved to be bench. Which I think is a disingenuous argument given several contributing factors. My counter argument to that is: What was the expectation of the Giants QB position play once Odell, Brandon Marshall and Sterling Shepard went out with injuries? (obviously SS came back) Additionally, given the state of the shaky OL protection, how many starting NFL QBs would be successful in this system? Also, how many starting NFL QBs would be good in this system? (Mcadoo's offense)
        Have you ever performed a just and equitable experiment. Have you studied how clinical trials or marketing campaigns perform? Both Eli Manning and Geno Smith have the same thing. Let's stop the excuse for the elitist Manning that somehow he can't perform because of the circumstances.

        We all know the o-line, WRs are banged up. But the fact remains that Geno far outplayed what Manning has ever done over the past few years. And that's after Geno coming in not playing for quite some time. It was clear as day the Geno far outplayed Manning.

        But this has nothing to do with justice, it's all about privilege and favoritism. Lets not mistake that.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by bigblue999 View Post

          Have you ever performed a just and equitable experiment. Have you studied how clinical trials or marketing campaigns perform? Both Eli Manning and Geno Smith have the same thing. Let's stop the excuse for the elitist Manning that somehow he can't perform because of the circumstances.

          We all know the o-line, WRs are banged up. But the fact remains that Geno far outplayed what Manning has ever done over the past few years. And that's after Geno coming in not playing for quite some time. It was clear as day the Geno far outplayed Manning.

          But this has nothing to do with justice, it's all about privilege and favoritism. Lets not mistake that.
          Geno has far outplayed what Manning has ever done over the past few years? LOL. Try to make an argument that gives you some credibility.
          Engage brain before speaking.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by bigblue999 View Post

            Have you ever performed a just and equitable experiment. Have you studied how clinical trials or marketing campaigns perform? Both Eli Manning and Geno Smith have the same thing. Let's stop the excuse for the elitist Manning that somehow he can't perform because of the circumstances.

            We all know the o-line, WRs are banged up. But the fact remains that Geno far outplayed what Manning has ever done over the past few years. And that's after Geno coming in not playing for quite some time. It was clear as day the Geno far outplayed Manning.

            But this has nothing to do with justice, it's all about privilege and favoritism. Lets not mistake that.
            Far outplayed? He had a decent game and people praise him. Eli has decent and peple crap on him

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            • #21
              Gruden said he was open to coaching the giants only if Eli is here.. wow all you guys think you know more then than John Gruden!!!! sorry but no!!!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bigblue999 View Post

                Have you ever performed a just and equitable experiment. Have you studied how clinical trials or marketing campaigns perform? Both Eli Manning and Geno Smith have the same thing. Let's stop the excuse for the elitist Manning that somehow he can't perform because of the circumstances.

                We all know the o-line, WRs are banged up. But the fact remains that Geno far outplayed what Manning has ever done over the past few years. And that's after Geno coming in not playing for quite some time. It was clear as day the Geno far outplayed Manning.

                But this has nothing to do with justice, it's all about privilege and favoritism. Lets not mistake that.
                LOL Eli is less then 2 seasons removed from making the Pro bowl and throwing 35 TD's, Last season, playing with OBJ and basically 3 guys that are now out of the league he threw 26 TD's. Geno has 29 in his career. Geno is more athletic and has better movement skills, which would help this awful Oline, but in no way has he outplayed Eli. In no way is he better then even a diminished Eli Manning.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by sodbuster View Post
                  Gruden said he was open to coaching the giants only if Eli is here.. wow all you guys think you know more then than John Gruden!!!! sorry but no!!!
                  Gruden came off like he was joking.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by scoostraw View Post

                    I disagree.
                    Haha
                    If you respect others, they will respect you.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by StewieZ View Post
                      Does anyone watch any games but Giants games? Eagles vs Seahawks. R Wilson is running around making plays. Wentz is also mobile enough to get out of the pocket and throw downfield for big plays. Eli can't do that. Plus he's not accurate. I am not an Eli hater, but you people have to open your eyes. You're stuck in this bubble of him from 5-10 years ago. He's not the worst but he's not the best. Of course, it's not all his fault but when you score 3 points vs the Redskins he's not exactly lifting his team to victory either.
                      Neither Carson Wentz for that matter.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Dattdoode View Post

                        LOL Eli is less then 2 seasons removed from making the Pro bowl and throwing 35 TD's, Last season, playing with OBJ and basically 3 guys that are now out of the league he threw 26 TD's. Geno has 29 in his career. Geno is more athletic and has better movement skills, which would help this awful Oline, but in no way has he outplayed Eli. In no way is he better then even a diminished Eli Manning.
                        Its a shame now that the circus isn't around manning, how is the poor guy supposed to score touchdowns??

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by bigblue999 View Post

                          Have you ever performed a just and equitable experiment. Have you studied how clinical trials or marketing campaigns perform? Both Eli Manning and Geno Smith have the same thing. Let's stop the excuse for the elitist Manning that somehow he can't perform because of the circumstances.

                          We all know the o-line, WRs are banged up. But the fact remains that Geno far outplayed what Manning has ever done over the past few years. And that's after Geno coming in not playing for quite some time. It was clear as day the Geno far outplayed Manning.

                          But this has nothing to do with justice, it's all about privilege and favoritism. Lets not mistake that.
                          Eli and Geno have the same thing? Please elaborate? How do you reach this conclusion. Your opinion is not back by anything credible.
                          Last edited by Kez Simpson; 12-06-2017, 05:31 PM.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Kez Simpson View Post
                            Nick Wright made the argument that Eli has been playing "terrible" and therefore deserved to be bench. Which I think is a disingenuous argument given several contributing factors. My counter argument to that is: What was the expectation of the Giants QB position play once Odell, Brandon Marshall and Sterling Shepard went out with injuries? (obviously SS came back) Additionally, given the state of the shaky OL protection, how many starting NFL QBs would be successful in this system? Also, how many starting NFL QBs would be good in this system? (Mcadoo's offense)
                            Did the offense look much better last season? Did the offense look much better with Beckham and Marshall? The answer is no. is the oline bad? Yes. But there are a number of teams you could say that about.

                            While there are a number of things that have contributed to this bad offense. Eli playing poorly is one. Remember in 2011 elite didnít have a great O-line ore running game yet we won the fricken Super Bowl.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Kez Simpson View Post
                              Nick Wright made the argument that Eli has been playing "terrible" and therefore deserved to be bench. Which I think is a disingenuous argument given several contributing factors. My counter argument to that is: What was the expectation of the Giants QB position play once Odell, Brandon Marshall and Sterling Shepard went out with injuries? (obviously SS came back) Additionally, given the state of the shaky OL protection, how many starting NFL QBs would be successful in this system? Also, how many starting NFL QBs would be good in this system? (Mcadoo's offense)
                              What about all the other years he wasnít very good. I think he was the 22nd ranked QB last year and he is 25th ranked this year. Try to look at him for what he is and not what he use to be.
                              Last edited by CruzSoldier; 12-06-2017, 07:19 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by bigblue999 View Post

                                Have you ever performed a just and equitable experiment. Have you studied how clinical trials or marketing campaigns perform? Both Eli Manning and Geno Smith have the same thing. Let's stop the excuse for the elitist Manning that somehow he can't perform because of the circumstances.

                                We all know the o-line, WRs are banged up. But the fact remains that Geno far outplayed what Manning has ever done over the past few years. And that's after Geno coming in not playing for quite some time. It was clear as day the Geno far outplayed Manning.

                                But this has nothing to do with justice, it's all about privilege and favoritism. Lets not mistake that.
                                Your clinical trial would have to be adjusted for the age difference, mobility, mental capacity and experience of your QBs or you are measuring apples and oranges.

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