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  • #31
    Can we stop writing the name CC Brown? Still makes me queasy.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
      I do not agree with the notion that Rolle's natural position is a deep safety, even if Rolle himself thinks that is the case.
      More of a box safety/small linebacker type of player it seems on tape. He has gone a long way since originally being drafted as a CB.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
        It's easy to criticize after the fact.
        Once yes, but 3 players you get it wrong then it's just trend analysis. I give Reese an A as GM, but defensive free agent pickups has not been his strong suit.
        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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        • #34
          Originally posted by GameTime View Post
          for me thats the bottom line. Dont care how the team got there but they got there with SB wins 2x in the last 6 seasons.

          No body is flawless but why complain, other then for the sake of debate, when the desired results are attained.
          Going forward, I always want to see improvement in areas of weakness. I was pointing out an area that Reese and the FO can do better at. It's more than frivolous offseason talk. Teams like the Pats that are there every year and consistently a threat to go all the way don't make these blunders.
          Last edited by B&RWarrior; 06-30-2013, 05:13 PM.
          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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          • #35
            He was drafted as a CB, but sucked in coverage so he was moved to Safety. The Giants overpaid for him as a Safety, moved him to slot CB because of injuries and realized why Arizona moved him to Safety to begin with, when he was moved back to Safety they realized he's still a liability in coverage so they moved him down to some special role and let better players (KP and Brown) play Safety.

            Rolle is JR's biggest failure in regards to free agency signings. His cap hit last year was 9 million, this year it's 9.25 million, and next year it's 9.25 million. That's the only reason he's still on the team. It bothers me that this guy is a vocal leader on defense considering his play on the field is undisciplined when it comes to coverage. He would have been released by now, but the team is married to him because of the structure of his remaining contract, so it's better to swing positive stories about him in the media making up excuses for why he sucks.


            “Basically just stay with your man,” cornerback Janoris Jenkins said. “Follow him everywhere you go. Even if he goes to the bathroom, follow him.”

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            • #36
              Originally posted by BeatYale View Post
              He was drafted as a CB, but sucked in coverage so he was moved to Safety. The Giants overpaid for him as a Safety, moved him to slot CB because of injuries and realized why Arizona moved him to Safety to begin with, when he was moved back to Safety they realized he's still a liability in coverage so they moved him down to some special role and let better players (KP and Brown) play Safety.

              Rolle is JR's biggest failure in regards to free agency signings. His cap hit last year was 9 million, this year it's 9.25 million, and next year it's 9.25 million. That's the only reason he's still on the team. It bothers me that this guy is a vocal leader on defense considering his play on the field is undisciplined when it comes to coverage. He would have been released by now, but the team is married to him because of the structure of his remaining contract, so it's better to swing positive stories about him in the media making up excuses for why he sucks.
              Absolutely, right on! We made some real $$$ blunders with the Rolle, Canty, Boley signings. It makes you think if the FO was going thru OJT. But with it all, 2 Super Bowl rings are there. Go Giants!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                I'm not blaming him at all, but we could have spent our money wiser.
                i disagree because we got a superbowl out of it. there's no doubt in my mind he was a huge reason we won it all. for both his on the field play and leadership off.
                Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                I don't trust him, at least not on defense when Reese is dealing with new free agent talent. I think we overpaid for Canty, Boley, and Rolle.

                I do trust JR to resign players that have played for us and are negotiating new contracts, so I know we won't overpay Rolle again.
                again, those 3 players were crucial to the giants winning a superbowl. therefore i don't consider them as being overpaid. if we never won it all with them as key contributors i would agree, but that's obviously not how it played out.
                Last edited by kNicksGiants; 06-30-2013, 05:38 PM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by BeatYale View Post
                  He was drafted as a CB, but sucked in coverage so he was moved to Safety. The Giants overpaid for him as a Safety, moved him to slot CB because of injuries and realized why Arizona moved him to Safety to begin with, when he was moved back to Safety they realized he's still a liability in coverage so they moved him down to some special role and let better players (KP and Brown) play Safety.

                  Rolle is JR's biggest failure in regards to free agency signings. His cap hit last year was 9 million, this year it's 9.25 million, and next year it's 9.25 million. That's the only reason he's still on the team. It bothers me that this guy is a vocal leader on defense considering his play on the field is undisciplined when it comes to coverage. He would have been released by now, but the team is married to him because of the structure of his remaining contract, so it's better to swing positive stories about him in the media making up excuses for why he sucks.
                  his cap hit is that high because the giants asked him to restructure his deal and he obliged. he was originally signed for 5 years 37 mil which is 7.4 per year. still a lot of money but he's not making 9 mil a year.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
                    i disagree because we got a superbowl out of it. there's no doubt in my mind he was a huge reason we won it all. for both his on the field play and leadership off.again, those 3 players were crucial to the giants winning a superbowl. therefore i don't consider them as being overpaid. if we never won it all with them as key contributors i would agree, but that's obviously not how it played out.
                    Just because we won a SB doesn't negate the fact that we didn't receive the value we thought we paid for at those positions. While they were on the SB winning team none of the players listed played at a level that would justify their salary level. We could have received the same level of play from cheaper players.
                    Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                    • #40
                      Kind of tough to say they didn't get a good value when they won the ultimate prize last year with those guys. Lots of FA's go on to have great careers and stats for their new team and never get a ring.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                        Kind of tough to say they didn't get a good value when they won the ultimate prize last year with those guys. Lots of FA's go on to have great careers and stats for their new team and never get a ring.
                        A ring doesn't mean you played to the level of your pay it means you were part of a winning team. They put it together at the end, but the contract they signed isn't for playoff games. It's for regular season performance, and in that respect all 3 severely underperformed.
                        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                          good read.....thanks Ro.
                          It woudl be great to see him at his natural position where he can just "play" instead of think so to speak.
                          The better part of that scenario is that if he can just play saftey then the Giants have three healthy and capable CBs available all the time. Havent had that in a while...
                          theres truth to that. during that epic 6 game run on the way to the SB, Rolle along with maybe every player even of the secondary were talking about how they could finally JUST PLAY. IIRC, it even started with that GB loss where Rolle had an INT and Tuck displayed some moments of actually being tuck.

                          the reason i say this, because something would have to be happening where he cant "just play" when he's actually had FS responsibilities. Some of his downfield coverage and angles have been just so terrible that at times I wondered how a pro player could take such a horrible angle. If he's this Pro Bowl/All Pro FS, he had opportunities to display said game ability and didnt deliver imho. maybe this yr, since he wont be mixing roles/responsibilities, he can "just play"?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by jomo View Post
                            He is a tough player, very good player who puts team ahead of self. I'm not sure he's quite worth what we are paying in today's NFL but there is a reason why we paid him so handsomely at the start of his contract.
                            He is very good. Do you remember cc brown. Rolle can come to the line of scrimmage and make tackles, and he can cover. Rolle JPP Brown and prince are the ONLY three good players on our defence. Rolle is easily the most versatile.
                            Just remember Kevin Love makes more money then OBJ, and OBJ also dunks better.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by wideright91 View Post
                              Can we stop writing the name CC Brown? Still makes me queasy.
                              Where is CC Brown anyways? haha
                              I remember he talked garbage about the Giants a season after we let him go...

                              I think he is one of the worst players I have ever seen.

                              Stand with Cruz!
                              80

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                              • #45
                                Blah blah blah we've heard this before from Rolle.

                                Someone buy him a TomTom so he knows where he's supposed to be on a given play.
                                I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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