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  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    But how could he reach the ball with T Rex arms?
    No problem, Eli's arms are long enough to reach beyond the balls to the center's belt buckle
    Last edited by RoanokeFan; 07-03-2013, 11:53 PM.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
      That was a Giants scout, not Reese. It was never identified which Giants personnel said it though.
      true good point. i remember early in the draft process one of our scouts even was going on and on, (it may have even been our OL coach) about one of the prospects and how he was one of the best prospects he can remember seeing...we dunno if he was talkin about pugh, but with the certainty JR and CO have come across as having with Pugh makes me believe it was him.

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      • Originally posted by Imgrate View Post
        I seem to recall us signing Locklear last year too, whats your point? FB/C/G are the only positions less valuable on the offensive side of the ball
        yeah everything is great until the a online position fails then its a big deal and the player sucks....
        All online posiitons matter hugely. I get that LTs get big bucks but as far as team value....RTs are are there with the rest of the oline
        "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
        You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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        • and there was a run on OL in this year's draft like never before, so if we picked up Pugh a bit higher than might otherwise have been warranted, so be it. I think the Bears would have snatched him up right after us, as they selected the Long kid, who is a very raw player, just has tremendous legacy on his side.

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          • Originally posted by Imgrate View Post
            Or, it's an anomaly because of how weak the top end of the draft is. Before last year when was the last time a guy was drafted to play g or rt in the top 10, it doesn't happen often. And yes, tight ends affect the game much more than rt
            agreed 100%
            Football has been very, very good to us.
            After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
            But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

            # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

            1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
            2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
            3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
            4-New York Giants!!!
            5-NE
            Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

            ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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            • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
              It IS possible and I'll admit that JR actually believes that Pugh was the BPA when the Giants handed in the card but I believe it's more likely that 1) OL was a more pressing need, 2) There was less of a chance to find a potential long term starter for the OL on the current roster as opposed to 3 tech or CB, and 3)They were possibly sold on another OL prospect that was already taken and felt they needed to swoop in on Pugh to not risk leaving the draft with no impact OL.Now from the tape I've watched, I still don't see how Pugh is a better player than a Sharrif Floyd or a Xavier Rhodes BUT it is entirely possible that his value was increased tremendously on our board because of his exceptional leadership and football IQ. There is also a case to be made that we have future starters already on the roster maybe in Marvin Austin or Jayron Hosley. Outside of Diehl, no one else on the roster really had significant experience at RT. It was also a weak top half draft so it's possible the Giants just wanted to grab a safer but less upside player in the 1st round to not get burned on. Pugh for all purposes and intents doesn't seem to have much of a bust factor.
              A lot of other teams passed on Floyd and Rhodes and they're the guys that do this for a living.
              Engage brain before speaking.

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              • Originally posted by speedman View Post
                A lot of other teams passed on Floyd and Rhodes and they're the guys that do this for a living.
                Half of the 1st round in drafts tend to bust out of the league in a few years. It's perfectly reasonable to question any draft picks you want since there isn't generally a high success rate in this profession. Reese has been an exception in the 1st round though so that's a plus.

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                • Something I always wished the NFL would force the organizations to do (for the fans of course), is have each team list their draft prospect board the morning of the draft. The NFL would collect all lists, keeping them secret of course, and let the draft play out. Then, after the draft is complete, the lists get released to the public so we can truely see how they rank their players. I think if the NFL wants to appease the fans more, this would be a great thing to do. Im sure there are some issues with it, but I for one would LOVE it. Then we can see if the Giants did reach for Pugh, or if the really had Martin ahead of Wilson. I think this would get even more fans into the whole draft process.

                  Of course I doubt this would ever happen due to the risk of "leaks".
                  WE ALREADY HAVE A GREAT RUNNING BACK:

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                  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    But how could he reach the ball with T Rex arms?
                    It'll put a lot of stress on his back. Probably is gonna pose problems down the line........
                    My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                    • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      Wouldn't his being able to play both guard and tackle positions have also factored in? Since being drafted, they also think he can learn to play center.
                      I thought flexibility helped too, but I heard a scout- not sure but I think it was Kiper - say flexibility in where you can line up on the Oline isn't as great a selling point in the fist round as it is in later rounds. 1st round picks should most importantly perform above average wherever they line up. So if Pugh ended up being average at 3 different positions, he would be considered a bust based on where we picked him.

                      IMO, if he's average it's a push, because we need Oline help badly.
                      Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                      http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                      • I like Pugh, and yes one team had him rated as an elite OL prospect. We were not that team.

                        He is not comparable to Lane Johnson as far as potential is concerned. Every other team had had Johnson, Joeckel, and Fischer as the elite 3 and then there are the rest.

                        If he can pass protect then we got what was advertised. If he can run block as well then we got what I really wanted. I felt we needed a young roadgrader to reinvigorate the running game. Snee has 2-3 years left at the most. Other than him we don't have a legitimate mauler. We need one to be our best.
                        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                        • i dunno how much of a mauler he'll be, but if we use him as a G, expect him to look like every other G we've had where we pull and trap with him. One of the reasons I wouldnt mind if he were G, is his agility/movement/understanding of what to do at the 2nd level. He'd fit right in pulling outside the opposite tackle or downblocking a DT

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                          • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                            I like Pugh, and yes one team had him rated as an elite OL prospect. We were not that team.

                            He is not comparable to Lane Johnson as far as potential is concerned. Every other team had had Johnson, Joeckel, and Fischer as the elite 3 and then there are the rest.

                            If he can pass protect then we got what was advertised. If he can run block as well then we got what I really wanted. I felt we needed a young roadgrader to reinvigorate the running game. Snee has 2-3 years left at the most. Other than him we don't have a legitimate mauler. We need one to be our best.
                            thats ur take n its respectable. i myself, feel that pugh compared to johnson athletically/potentially the same ways fisher and joekel did. johnson tested through the roof, no disputing that. i just question his mental makeup/understanding of the position. more than 1 scout from what i've read feel he is actually a risky pick. tremendous potential...thats what gets coaches fired.


                            pughs almost like the best quality of all 3 the top OTs in 1. He has the athleticism (not to the extent but he does have good athleticism) that Johnson is banking off of. He has the technique/understanding of angles as Fisher. He's built to be an OL similar to Joekel.

                            If someone is up to it, compare Pughs measurements to Fishers and Joekels. Then compare Pughs collegiate career to Johnsons. Dunno how a person could claim he wasnt a 1rst rd talent when doing that. he had as clean a collegiate career of any OL prospect in a decade.
                            Last edited by giantsfan420; 07-04-2013, 12:21 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                              i dunno how much of a mauler he'll be, but if we use him as a G, expect him to look like every other G we've had where we pull and trap with him. One of the reasons I wouldnt mind if he were G, is his agility/movement/understanding of what to do at the 2nd level. He'd fit right in pulling outside the opposite tackle or downblocking a DT
                              I think having a "mauler" can be overrated. When we had Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee, and MacKenzie we had an awesome OLine and not a "mauler" among them. Their playing together for as long as they did had more to do with their success than anyone one individual's talents.
                              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                              • Pugh is way ahead of Johnson in his understanding of the position. Pugh is polished and almost technically flawless at the college level. Pugh was a late riser. He performed well at the Senior Bowl against other NFL prospects and that is when scouts took notice.

                                Athletically he doesn't compare to Johnson...not even close. We are all free to have our opinions, but the have to have some basis for them. We still don't know who the better football player will be, but the combine stats alone will tell you who the better athlete is.

                                Lane Johnson ran a 4.7 in the 40! To put that in perspective Herzy runs a 4.9! Athletically Johnson is head and shoulders above any other OL prospect.

                                Pugh has very good agility and footwork in his own right, but he's not the athlete LJ is.
                                Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                                http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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