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  • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    I think having a "mauler" can be overrated. When we had Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee, and MacKenzie we had an awesome OLine and not a "mauler" among them. Their playing together for as long as they did had more to do with their success than anyone one individual's talents.
    I beg to differ. Snee was always an A1 run blocker. Mauler when healthy, especially in his prime.
    Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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    • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
      I beg to differ. Snee was always an A1 run blocker. Mauler.
      No begging allowed.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
        No begging allowed.
        LOL
        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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        • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
          Pugh is way ahead of Johnson in his understanding of the position. Pugh is polished and almost technically flawless at the college level. Pugh was a late riser. He performed well at the Senior Bowl against other NFL prospects and that is when scouts took notice.

          Athletically he doesn't compare to Johnson...not even close. We are all free to have our opinions, but the have to have some basis for them. We still don't know who the better football player will be, but the combine stats alone will tell you who the better athlete is.

          Lane Johnson ran a 4.7 in the 40! To put that in perspective Herzy runs a 4.9! Athletically Johnson is head and shoulders above any other OL prospect.

          Pugh has very good agility and footwork in his own right, but he's not the athlete LJ is.
          ur not understanding my point. im not saying pugh compared to johnson athletically. im saying pugh compared to johnson athletically the same ways fisher and joekel compared to Johnson athletically. it was more of a comparison towards the other 2 OT prospects.

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          • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
            LOL
            I guess my point was that they worked so long as a unit, almost uninterrupted for years, they knew what each other would do in any given situation and that's what made them a powerhouse unit.
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
              I guess my point was that they worked so long as a unit, almost uninterrupted for years, they knew what each other would do in any given situation and that's what made them a powerhouse unit.
              I agree with that. This line will be broken up soon, due to the age of Diehl, Snee, and the underperformance of Bass. I'm not even sure if we keep Boothe. I don't think this group will have that time to gel in the same manner.
              Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

              http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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              • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                ur not understanding my point. im not saying pugh compared to johnson athletically. im saying pugh compared to johnson athletically the same ways fisher and joekel compared to Johnson athletically. it was more of a comparison towards the other 2 OT prospects.
                You mean how Fisher was the better athlete than Joeckel, who was regarded as the better technician and with more sound experience against better competition? Are you saying that Pugh is the Joeckel to Lane Johnson? Just trying to follow you here.

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                • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                  Pugh has very good agility and footwork in his own right, but he's not the athlete LJ is.
                  Pugh also appears a little undersized to play OT in the NFL but as Reese said, he can win the opportunity to play there and keep his job as long as he plays well. I wouldn't say the other 3 OTs (Fisher, Joeckel, Lane) have size concerns like Pugh.

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                  • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                    Pugh also appears a little undersized to play OT in the NFL but as Reese said, he can win the opportunity to play there and keep his job as long as he plays well. I wouldn't say the other 3 OTs (Fisher, Joeckel, Lane) have size concerns like Pugh.
                    its the arm length more than height n weight.

                    and imo Pugh looks like he is physically adquate. strength was a question but the OL have repeately stated how hes been a pro so far and has been spendin as much time as possible in the focusing on the strength aspect.

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                    • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                      its the arm length more than height n weight.

                      and imo Pugh looks like he is physically adquate. strength was a question but the OL have repeately stated how hes been a pro so far and has been spendin as much time as possible in the focusing on the strength aspect.
                      I don't know too many successful OTs that are 6'4 and short armed. Technique helps but it won't always save you on every snap. The weight Pugh has now is fine for OT. He could benefit possibly from a 5lb increase and some overall muscle mass if he slid inside.

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                      • I can honestly say I did not like the Baas signing. At all. I have been hoping for a young replacement since that day they signed him. I was hoping Boothe would take the job, but Boothe can't snap well.
                        Life is like a Giants game, you never know what you are going to get.

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                        • Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post
                          I can honestly say I did not like the Baas signing. At all. I have been hoping for a young replacement since that day they signed him. I was hoping Boothe would take the job, but Boothe can't snap well.
                          Baas showed up big for us in the postseason and has had a few good games during the regular season too. I just think he's having issues battling the injuries thus far.

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                          • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                            I don't know too many successful OTs that are 6'4 and short armed. Technique helps but it won't always save you on every snap. The weight Pugh has now is fine for OT. He could benefit possibly from a 5lb increase and some overall muscle mass if he slid inside.
                            JR and Co have cited his technique and footwork/understanding of angles as what they believe offsets his arm length issue.

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                            • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                              Baas showed up big for us in the postseason and has had a few good games during the regular season too. I just think he's having issues battling the injuries thus far.
                              and it'd be hard for any C to do well when hes joining a new team and the G's outside him are injured or just plain avg at best.

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                              • It's the lack of core strength that worries me more than anything. Even if he struggles at tackle because of the short arms strength will be an issue at guard.
                                Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                                http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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