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  • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    It's the lack of core strength that worries me more than anything. Even if he struggles at tackle because of the short arms strength will be an issue at guard.
    How do you know anything about his core strength?
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    • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
      How do you know anything about his core strength?
      well it is kinda accepted he had some strength issues coming out. but every prospect usually has that and i believe even the top 3 OTs taken had the same issue. Its nothing an nfl lift program won't fix. i read pugh made it his top priority, and i've read his teammates say he's been in the gym as much as possible.

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      • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
        How do you know anything about his core strength?
        Watch his tape and every scouting report on the web lists it as an area of concern. Same way I know Fluker has no core strength concerns. I watched his tape and checked out several scouting reports.
        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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        • Cruz thread morphs into and Oline / Pugh thread,,,
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          • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
            well it is kinda accepted he had some strength issues coming out. but every prospect usually has that and i believe even the top 3 OTs taken had the same issue. Its nothing an nfl lift program won't fix. i read pugh made it his top priority, and i've read his teammates say he's been in the gym as much as possible.
            He did not do a lot of reps in the bench press. That is where is "strength concerns" come from.

            That has absolutely nothing to do with core strength.
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            • Originally posted by GameTime View Post
              Cruz thread morphs into and Oline / Pugh thread,,,
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              • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                Watch his tape and every scouting report on the web lists it as an area of concern. Same way I know Fluker has no core strength concerns. I watched his tape and checked out several scouting reports.
                I have seen his tape, and I have seen him play in person too. I see a guy with strength concerns, but it isn't a core strength concern.


                In fact, his body lean, positioning and balance are fantastic. That would imply excellent core strength. Where he lacks strength is in his extremeties, not his core. I would venture to say his core strength may be as good as anyone on the team.


                I think it humorous that because a guy doesn't rock out 35 reps on the bench press that he somehow has "core strength" issues.
                Last edited by BlueSanta; 07-05-2013, 12:06 AM.
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                • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                  I have seen his tape, and I have seen him play in person too. I see a guy with strength concerns, but it isn't a core strength concern.


                  In fact, his body lean, positioning and balance are fantastic. That would imply excellent core strength. Where he lacks strength is in his extremeties, not his core. I would venture to say his core strength may be as good as anyone on the team.


                  I think it humorous that because a guy doesn't rock out 35 reps on the bench press that he somehow has "core strength" issues.
                  pugh isnt/wasnt the only OL singled out for that or something tho. Almost every OL prospect coming into the league will have a strength issue bc the increase in talent/strength at the NFL level. pretty much 99% of OL coming into the league will need to go through an NFL weight program to ensure they can handle the bigger, faster, quicker players


                  but i agree with ur analysis of Pugh and his strength issue compared to what is said around here. iirc, he also put up like 26 at his pro day or something, not all world but not terrible either

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                  • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                    pugh isnt/wasnt the only OL singled out for that or something tho. Almost every OL prospect coming into the league will have a strength issue bc the increase in talent/strength at the NFL level. pretty much 99% of OL coming into the league will need to go through an NFL weight program to ensure they can handle the bigger, faster, quicker players


                    but i agree with ur analysis of Pugh and his strength issue compared to what is said around here. iirc, he also put up like 26 at his pro day or something, not all world but not terrible either
                    Don't get me wrong, as I said above I do see a strength issue. I am more wondering why people are questioning his core strength? I see people saying this and I cant help but think they are using the term incorrectly without knowing what it means.

                    I can tell you this, Pugh needs to add some bulk to his body and that will happen. But, his technique is very, very good and you simply cannot have that kind of technique with excellent core strength. It is a finite distinction I know, but I was responding to someone who specifically doubted his core strength, which I do not agree with. Bench press has very little to do with core strength.
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                    • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                      I have seen his tape, and I have seen him play in person too. I see a guy with strength concerns, but it isn't a core strength concern.


                      In fact, his body lean, positioning and balance are fantastic. That would imply excellent core strength. Where he lacks strength is in his extremeties, not his core. I would venture to say his core strength may be as good as anyone on the team.


                      I think it humorous that because a guy doesn't rock out 35 reps on the bench press that he somehow has "core strength" issues.
                      I took "core" strength to mean natural strength in general not the strength of the abdomen/back section or "core" of the body. If that is what they mean then to some degree bench press is a test of core strength but not a great measure of it.

                      What I see in Pugh at the NFL level is a finesse tackle that plays with great technique but is not overpowering. I think he will do real good with edge rushers. He's not a Lincoln Kennedy, Larry Brown type of tackle. I don't see him generating a lot of push in the running game.

                      This is what my gut tells me from watching the tape.
                      Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                      http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                      • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                        I took "core" strength to mean natural strength in general not the strength of the abdomen/back section or "core" of the body. If that is what they mean then to some degree bench press is a test of core strength but not a great measure of it.

                        What I see in Pugh at the NFL level is a finesse tackle that plays with great technique but is not overpowering. I think he will do real good with edge rushers. He's not a Lincoln Kennedy, Larry Brown type of tackle. I don't see him generating a lot of push in the running game.

                        This is what my gut tells me from watching the tape.
                        I agree with what you saying there in every way.

                        I was perhaps being a lil nitpicky but still had to ask why people were questioning his core strength specifically. It isn't a concern I see on tape.

                        For example I see a guy like Brewer who, from what limited time we have seen him play, has bad balance and lean I would question his core strength. That may not be the problem, it could just be a coordination issue, or coaching, or any number of other issues. But having technique like Pugh's demands a strong core.

                        I think the distinction you make there is a very fair 1 to make. His "natural strength" needs work. The term "core strength" is becoming a popular catch phrase for strength in general, but that is why I responded because they really are not the same thing at all.
                        Last edited by BlueSanta; 07-05-2013, 01:22 AM.
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                        • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                          I agree with what you saying there in every way.

                          I was perhaps being a lil nitpicky but still had to ask why people were questioning his core strength specifically. It isn't a concern I see on tape.

                          For example I see a guy like Brewer who, from what limited time we have seen him play, has bad balance and lean I would question his core strength. That may not be the problem, it could just be a coordination issue, or coaching, or any number of other issues. But having technique like Pugh's demands a strong core.

                          I think the distinction you make there is a very fair 1 to make. His "natural strength" needs work. The term "core strength" is becoming a popular catch phrase for strength in general, but that is why I responded because they really are not the same thing at all.
                          I'm starting to think Brewer's problem is that he sucks.
                          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                          • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                            Don't get me wrong, as I said above I do see a strength issue. I am more wondering why people are questioning his core strength? I see people saying this and I cant help but think they are using the term incorrectly without knowing what it means.

                            I can tell you this, Pugh needs to add some bulk to his body and that will happen. But, his technique is very, very good and you simply cannot have that kind of technique with excellent core strength. It is a finite distinction I know, but I was responding to someone who specifically doubted his core strength, which I do not agree with. Bench press has very little to do with core strength.
                            i think if u asked some of the posters who post here a lot, they'd let u know im as big a supporter/homer of pugh as there is just fwiw...ur preachin to the choir.
                            Last edited by giantsfan420; 07-05-2013, 01:36 AM.

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                            • i think pugh is gonna surprise some people with his run blocking ability. he moves tremendously well in space, which will help him here bc we are always pulling n trapping with our Gs and even Ts. Pugh is also excellent at getting to the 2nd level. Also good at downblocking. these things are important to run blocking along with footwork. strength is paramount as well, but he excels at those other aspects.

                              im hoping he becomes a gym rat and just gets huge and combines strength with his sound technical game.

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                              • Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                                Cruz thread morphs into and Oline / Pugh thread,,,
                                Hey at least it hasn't morphed into a thread about a player who shall remain anonymous(hint:do you really need a hint?)

                                Kick back and enjoy it. I sure am
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