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    Being a youth in the days of Bavaro made it easy to love our TE and the position in general. Being a somewhat husky dude with good hands on the playground myself, it was further easy to romanticize the position. Part Bart Oats, part Lionel Manuel, what was not to love? So growing up and still today I was always excited to see great TE play. It seems as if the Gilbride offense doesn't involve the TE too much as a pass catcher. The role of the position is to block first and occasionally catch some balls. However, perhaps this is just a misguided guess on my part. Maybe the Gilbride offense does involve the TE a lot. Or perhaps the goal is to involve them more, but Eli opts for the WR's more frequnetly. Are there more designed plays for TE's with other teams. Take a team like Dallas for example. It seems as if Romo's first option on many plays is Witten. Is this simply because Witten is more talented, or is the offense built that way?

    What's your take on this? Anyone have any data that represents these issue?

    Also, semi-related topic: Do you see us involving Myers more than Boss, Ballard and Bennett? He seems as if he could have more natural talent than any TE since Shockey. I wonder if he ends up having a bigger role.....I wonder what that would mean for Cruz and Nicks, especially come contract time if he did...(of course, I wonder how much success in TE position is possible when you have guys like Cruz and Nicks stealing attention....)

    Thoughts?
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    boss ballard and bennet all had career years under gilbrides offense however i see your point i dont think we involve the te as much as other teams do
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    • #3
      One thought is that the Giants WR are better now then they were in the days of Bavaro. Also looking at other teams usage of the TE's, while there are exceptions, the TEs are not used as the #1 or even the #2 trarget much. But I think the Giants utilize the TE quite a bit for recieving duties. From Shockey on through last season with Bennet they get their fair amout of touches.
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      • #4
        people are setting their expectations slightly off base imho concerning myers. i continually see people talk about the excitement they have to see Myers used downfield in the vertical pass game.

        of all his 80 plus catches with oakland last yr, none were of the variety where the ball is traveling 20 yds or more. which indicates he was used a ton on check down routes/underneath routes. i think in our offense, having a guy like that can be HUGE. we've consistently looked to add that check down dimension from a RB, but applying that role to the TE is genius in my book. We already have 4 or 5 WR's who can successfully get downfield (Nicks, Cruz, Randle, L.Murphy, and even Barden has made receptions downfield). We have possession route runners (Nicks/Cruz/RR) as well as guys who can burn the top of a D (L. Murphy, Nicks, n Cruz) but we dont really have that checkdown option. Even Wilson may be a bit too green to understand that role, esp when he is looking to break a long TD anytime the balls in his hands.

        Having Myers run delayed routes, routes after he helps chip a DE, and routes where he's exposing underneath holes in the D due to keying on our WRs and the vertical pass game is going to be such a huge wrinkle. Eli is often forced to either take a hit while waiting for the play to develop downfield or he rushes the throw before its really there, and negative results can happen. Having Myers work the underneath stuff so Eli has a legit check down option to utilize in the face of pressure WITHOUT having to depend on the vertical routes to develop is going to make our offense run even more smoothly.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ryan12 View Post
          boss ballard and bennet all had career years under gilbrides offense however i see your point i dont think we involve the te as much as other teams do
          Of course they had career years under Gilbride. They never got a chance to do anything before that.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Providence View Post
            Being a youth in the days of Bavaro made it easy to love our TE and the position in general. Being a somewhat husky dude with good hands on the playground myself, it was further easy to romanticize the position. Part Bart Oats, part Lionel Manuel, what was not to love? So growing up and still today I was always excited to see great TE play. It seems as if the Gilbride offense doesn't involve the TE too much as a pass catcher. The role of the position is to block first and occasionally catch some balls. However, perhaps this is just a misguided guess on my part. Maybe the Gilbride offense does involve the TE a lot. Or perhaps the goal is to involve them more, but Eli opts for the WR's more frequnetly. Are there more designed plays for TE's with other teams. Take a team like Dallas for example. It seems as if Romo's first option on many plays is Witten. Is this simply because Witten is more talented, or is the offense built that way?

            What's your take on this? Anyone have any data that represents these issue?

            Also, semi-related topic: Do you see us involving Myers more than Boss, Ballard and Bennett? He seems as if he could have more natural talent than any TE since Shockey. I wonder if he ends up having a bigger role.....I wonder what that would mean for Cruz and Nicks, especially come contract time if he did...(of course, I wonder how much success in TE position is possible when you have guys like Cruz and Nicks stealing attention....)

            Thoughts?
            The first highlight just made me howl, so thanks for that

            The second, IMO, is spot on. A tight end here is a lineman first who happens to be asked to catch a ball now and then. Even Bavaro The Great was a blocker first but he had skill sets that allowed him to chip his target, get into his route and make plays. I have personally never seen a TE play quite like Bavaro but I also don't follow a lot of other teams' games/players.

            In those good old days, we didn't have a WR tandem like Nicks and Cruz to take the load
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            • #7
              A bunch of factors:

              1) Bennett had the second most receptions on the Giants last year.
              2) Bennett was 13th in receptions and yards for NFL tight ends last year.
              3) Our offense has been more receiver oriented under Reese.
              4) Our last few tight ends have included Boss, Ballard and Pascoe ... none of which were ever seen as premier players.
              5) Our game changing TE draft pick (Beckum) never materialized.
              6) It appears that they (the coaching staff and FO) want to (and have wanted to) feature the TE more. It's just a matter of finding the right player at the right price. Brandon Myers (and Bennett last year) are good examples of this.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                The first highlight just made me howl, so thanks for that

                The second, IMO, is spot on. A tight end here is a lineman first who happens to be asked to catch a ball now and then. Even Bavaro The Great was a blocker first but he had skill sets that allowed him to chip his target, get into his route and make plays. I have personally never seen a TE play quite like Bavaro but I also don't follow a lot of other teams' games/players.

                In those good old days, we didn't have a WR tandem like Nicks and Cruz to take the load
                Glad I gave you a chuckle.

                Indeed. I shouldn't have given the impression that Bavaro was exclusively a receiver. The guy was a hell of a blocker for sure.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Providence View Post
                  Glad I gave you a chuckle.

                  Indeed. I shouldn't have given the impression that Bavaro was exclusively a receiver. The guy was a hell of a blocker for sure.
                  He was one tough dude
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                  • #10
                    Targets will be dictated by the defense. If they constantly double Cruz and Nick, Myers & Randle could have big years.

                    Pick your poison.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by EliDaMANning View Post
                      Of course they had career years under Gilbride. They never got a chance to do anything before that.
                      oh yeah wise ***. how did boss do with oakland and kc?what did bennett do with coyboys in 4 years?
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                      • #12
                        Bennett had something like 90 targets last year. The TE was involved plenty in the offense. However, your last point explains a lot. With Nicks and Cruz on the field, those guys are going to be the first options on most plays.

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                        • #13
                          Gilbride involves the tight end enough that we can't hold on to them when free agency rolls around.
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                          • #14
                            The Starting TE in are offense is usually the 3rd leading receiver for the season. I see nothing wrong with that. It tells me they use him enough in the passing game. When has the TE been a better option and we havent used him

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                            • #15
                              Somewhat unrelated I was sad to see ballard go, but I read he is still not practising yet.. so loosing him does not seem so bad at this point.
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