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  • Thoughts on these players and what type of impact for this season.

    Eric Herman, OG
    Cooper Taylor, S/LB Hybrid
    Will Hill, S
    Louis Murphy, WR
    Aaron Curry, LB
    "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it."

    2014 Draft:
    Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
    Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
    Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
    Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
    Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
    Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
    Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

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    Eric Herman, OG-prob doesnt play more than 10 snaps if that on the year

    Cooper Taylor, S/LB Hybrid-interesting prospect who could match what we do very well defensively. SHould contribute immediately on ST. Could become an actual role player by mid way point.

    Will Hill, S-He has an interesting skill set. I'd assume its more suited for near the LOS to intermediate pass coverage. I dont know if he has that centerfield coverage ability that KP had, but not many safeties do anyways. I expect we see him play ST's, and be used in the safety rotation and to make some big hits and hopefully big plays.

    Louis Murphy, WR-the reason I'm posting, just so I could discuss him. This guy is intriguing for me. He's a guy that could be used as any 4th WR is used, but, I also believe the Giants got him to use him out of the slot. My guess would be, we'll even see Murphy out of the slot over Cruz in some situations and times of the season. I think his downfield speed out of the slot while the D is focusing on the perimeter WR's is something KG will want to exploit. I've been a big fan of Murphys since his rookie year. I've seen what this kid is capable of. Ya know who I'd honestly compare him to? a young T.O. Like T.O., he has tremendous speed, has a physical presence to his game, and imo, will start out working out of the slot (which is where TO actually began to make plays and a name for himself from). I think Murphy could give us a big season while still being relegated to 4th on the depth chart. I dunno if we're gonna try and rely on him 10-15x a game, but I'd def expect to see 3-4 targets his way while trying to set the D up for a long bomb.

    Aaron Curry, LB- Another guy I've been very vocal about. I actually woulda been fine trying to pursue him when seattle first put him on the block. but whatever, it worked out imo bc Currys been outspoken about how he had the wrong mentality/attitude, and how hes willing to do whatever it takes to help the team. the guy has a skill set that is pretty much top notch, its why he was 4th overall and considered the safe 1rst overall of the class. if he can combine that with the right mentality, we may have just gotten the biggest steal defensively we've ever had.

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    • #3
      Louis Murphy a young TO, LOL, okay. I'll pay money to see that come to fruition. If he's half as good as the old/youngTO we have the best WR core in the league. I think Murphy could help us, but let there never be a TO comparison at any stage of his career.

      Herman won't do anything.

      Will Hill will struggle in coverage. He will play the run well.

      Cooper Taylor is my dark horse for rookie of the year for the Giants, not the league.

      Curry will play avg/ good versus the run and bad in coverage.
      Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

      http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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      • #4
        Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
        Louis Murphy a young TO, LOL, okay. I'll pay money to see that come to fruition. If he's half as good as the old/youngTO we have the best WR core in the league. I think Murphy could help us, but let there never be a TO comparison at any stage of his career.

        Herman won't do anything.

        Will Hill will struggle in coverage. He will play the run well.

        Cooper Taylor is my dark horse for rookie of the year for the Giants, not the league.

        Curry will play avg/ good versus the run and bad in coverage.
        when i say a young TO, I mean a first year 9er young TO. And yes. Go watch the 2008 Pitts vs Oakland game, watch his highlights that game and tell me that doesnt remind u...

        he has tremendous speed, he's built to be physical...watch Murphys best games, its actually apt.

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        • #5
          only watched a min in and its pretty clear to me at least

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ph1ZYx7EKw


          watch specifically for Pitt games

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          • #6
            at 1:30, but especially 3:00, but really the whole thing, if your gonna tell me that doesnt remind you of TO before he became mental case TO, i dunno what to tell u. im glad i found this clip, i didnt make it lol, bc i almost am thinking its Owens with a lot of the after the whistle stuff and physical play.


            and btw, this is with some backup 3rd string QB throwing to him Chezakcowkslki or something lol and a few J.Russel passes iirc

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            • #7
              Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
              when i say a young TO, I mean a first year 9er young TO. And yes. Go watch the 2008 Pitts vs Oakland game, watch his highlights that game and tell me that doesnt remind u...

              he has tremendous speed, he's built to be physical...watch Murphys best games, its actually apt.
              You usually make good post so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You mean TO before he became great. Maybe so, but Murphy doesn't compare at all to the TO that played for Dallas, Philly, or kicked our *** in the playoffs as a 49er. That TO is miles above Murphy in every respect.

              LOL how the hell am I going to watch 2008 Pitt vs Oakland? I tried to You Tube it but nobody posted that classic.
              Last edited by B&RWarrior; 07-04-2013, 08:36 PM.
              Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

              http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                only watched a min in and its pretty clear to me at least

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ph1ZYx7EKw


                watch specifically for Pitt games
                damn I just did the search and it didn't come up- granted I haven't even scrolled down.
                Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                • #9
                  with Eli, Murphy has the potential to be really, REALLY good.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                    damn I just did the search and it didn't come up- granted I haven't even scrolled down.
                    just watch this clip. worth every second. this guys gonna be special. a couple plays u cant tell me u couldnt swap jerseys with Owens and be able to tell the difference.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                      just watch this clip. worth every second. this guys gonna be special. a couple plays u cant tell me u couldnt swap jerseys with Owens and be able to tell the difference.
                      No way dude. This guy couldn't hold TO's jockstrap. He's shorter and TO outweighs the guy by almost 30 lbs. As far as I can tell he's not even faster than TO was as far in game speed is concerned.
                      Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                      http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                        No way dude. This guy couldn't hold TO's jockstrap. He's shorter and TO outweighs the guy by almost 30 lbs. As far as I can tell he's not even faster than TO was as far in game speed is concerned.
                        man ur just arguing for the sake of arguing. the same first down showboat, same spike the ball through the goal posts on a go route td he leaves the D toasted.
                        did u even watch the entire clip? how could u say at 3 min to like 4 min 15 sec he didnt look like TO, or really, any dominant WR? He single handedly beat Pitt with some no name 3rd string scrub as the QB. he beat quadruple coverage on a hail mary one play that included ryan clark and troy p. wth are u watching, they even used him a ton on slants to try and get him the ball in YAC situations exactly like TO used to be used and Murphy broke a few exactly how TO would...its cool agree to disagree.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                          man ur just arguing for the sake of arguing. the same first down showboat, same spike the ball through the goal posts on a go route td he leaves the D toasted.
                          did u even watch the entire clip? how could u say at 3 min to like 4 min 15 sec he didnt look like TO, or really, any dominant WR? He single handedly beat Pitt with some no name 3rd string scrub as the QB. he beat quadruple coverage on a hail mary one play that included ryan clark and troy p. wth are u watching, they even used him a ton on slants to try and get him the ball in YAC situations exactly like TO used to be used and Murphy broke a few exactly how TO would...its cool agree to disagree.
                          I do love to debate but this debate is lopsided. TO undressed the best CBs in the game every game for basically his entire career.

                          In 2010 Palmer was TO's QB in Cincy and TO put up just about 70 receptions 1000 yards and 9 TDs opposite Chad Johnson and was the better of the two. In 2011 Murphy was catching balls from the same Palmer in Oakland and got 15 receptions and no TDs in 11 games. Who was taking PT away from him in Oakland?

                          He ways 26 less lbs than TO so in no way shape or form is he as physical. He's got 7 TDs in a 4 year career. In TO's first 4 years he had 30 TDs, granted he was catching balls from a HOF QB, but still the difference shouldn't be that big.

                          If you are looking for the next TO you are setting yourself up for disappointment. He can come in hear and improve his numbers though, but let's not talk crazy.
                          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                            I do love to debate but this debate is lopsided. TO undressed the best CBs in the game every game for basically his entire career.

                            In 2010 Palmer was TO's QB in Cincy and TO put up just about 70 receptions 1000 yards and 9 TDs opposite Chad Johnson and was the better of the two. In 2011 Murphy was catching balls from the same Palmer in Oakland and got 15 receptions and no TDs in 11 games. Who was taking PT away from him in Oakland?

                            He ways 26 less lbs than TO so in no way shape or form is he as physical. He's got 7 TDs in a 4 year career. In TO's first 4 years he had 30 TDs, granted he was catching balls from a HOF QB, but still the difference shouldn't be that big.

                            If you are looking for the next TO you are setting yourself up for disappointment. He can come in hear and improve his numbers though, but let's not talk crazy.
                            for some reason ur acting like i said or am saying Murphy is as good or was as good as TO. I said his rookie yr REMINDED ME, was COMPARABLE to a TO before he broke out and become the HoF he would become...i mean murphy was celebrating plays exactly how TO does. there were several plays where I couldnt tell the diff between Murphy, and some plays I remember of Owens at SF...im not saying Murphy is as accomplished or on Owens level at all. cmon man.

                            and u prob shouldnt hide behind ur faulty reading comprehension as some sort of ego boost. the only reason the debate is lopsided is because you are not comprehending/understanding what is being said and instead reacting to what your creating and applying to me.
                            Last edited by giantsfan420; 07-05-2013, 12:43 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                              I do love to debate but this debate is lopsided. TO undressed the best CBs in the game every game for basically his entire career.

                              In 2010 Palmer was TO's QB in Cincy and TO put up just about 70 receptions 1000 yards and 9 TDs opposite Chad Johnson and was the better of the two. In 2011 Murphy was catching balls from the same Palmer in Oakland and got 15 receptions and no TDs in 11 games. Who was taking PT away from him in Oakland?

                              He ways 26 less lbs than TO so in no way shape or form is he as physical. He's got 7 TDs in a 4 year career. In TO's first 4 years he had 30 TDs, granted he was catching balls from a HOF QB, but still the difference shouldn't be that big.

                              If you are looking for the next TO you are setting yourself up for disappointment. He can come in hear and improve his numbers though, but let's not talk crazy.
                              Gotta agree.

                              I watch that video and the biggest difference I see is that TO, especially early in his career, was an absolute monster after the catch. He was more like a TE or a RB with the ball and could break tackles that I see bring Murphy to the ground in that video.

                              Murphy is an excellent free agent signing, don't get me wrong.We signed Louis for 715K for 1 year that's awesome. But lets not get overexcited here.
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