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  • #46
    Originally posted by TCHOF View Post

    If the team wants the benefit of getting the young guys experience, why would playing Eli in the first half benefit the team?
    it wouldnt that was the respect gesture to keep elis streak going. this was never a real benching, eli and fans over reacted

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Harooni View Post

      it wouldnt that was the respect gesture to keep elis streak going. this was never a real benching, eli and fans over reacted
      So if it wouldn't benefit the team at all, and was only a gesture to Eli to keep his personal streak going, how was Eli not being a "team player" when he declined to go along with it?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by TCHOF View Post

        So if it wouldn't benefit the team at all, and was only a gesture to Eli to keep his personal streak going, how was Eli not being a "team player" when he declined to go along with it?
        Honestly dont know why you would argue with him over anything Manning related. No matter what pretzel-logic is necessary, everything will always be the Mannings's fault.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by TCHOF View Post

          So if it wouldn't benefit the team at all, and was only a gesture to Eli to keep his personal streak going, how was Eli not being a "team player" when he declined to go along with it?
          it would have benefited the other qb's to not have to play a whole game. i didnt mention that part my mistake.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by DandyDon View Post

            Honestly dont know why you would argue with him over anything Manning related. No matter what pretzel-logic is necessary, everything will always be the Mannings's fault.
            its not placing fault, im simply dispelling the conspiracy theory that mara and mc expected eli to say no to starting so geno could start. that was not the intention.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Harooni View Post

              brad the whole plan was for geno not to start. the only reason he did was when Eli wouldnt be a team player and refused. then of course webb cant be the starter it has to be geno since he has the most experience. and then work webb in. however we never got past 1 week before mannings and the fans got ben and reese fired prematurely.
              Wrong.

              The entire thing was to make Geno the starting QB. Webb was never in the picture as we now know. Wasnít ready to play then, and isnít ready now. This is plain as day - we can see Webb is not in the picture.

              McAdoo took the opening from Mara to playthe young QBs when the game is out of reach and turned it into split halves. Eli gave McAdoo EXACTLY what he wanted by giving up the starting spot so that Geno could play the full game.

              If McAdoo was not fired I have no doubt in my mind that Geno would have started every single game remaining this season and played every snap too.

              Eli gave them what they wanted and more. It isnít his job to throw his integrity in the trash to cover a dumbass PR disaster not of his making.

              McAdoo only wanted Eli to play a half in that it would protect him from being called out. He was too scared to bench Eli outright and he owner gave him an inch which he took a mile with. Thatís why he was fired after the Raiders game and not weeks later. Totally brought it on himself

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Harooni View Post

                its not placing fault, im simply dispelling the conspiracy theory that mara and mc expected eli to say no to starting so geno could start. that was not the intention.
                Yeah, posting over and over and over that Eli isn't a team player isn't placing fault. Where most of the rest of the world sees what Manning did as being a stand-up guy for not continuing the streak on a false premise, you see as some Machiavellian Manning family conspiracy. You are a one trick pony on the Mannings bro...

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by DandyDon View Post

                  Yeah, posting over and over and over that Eli isn't a team player isn't placing fault. Where most of the rest of the world sees what Manning did as being a stand-up guy for not continuing the streak on a false premise, you see as some Machiavellian Manning family conspiracy. You are a one trick pony on the Mannings bro...
                  manning clearly stated that he thought about it and the next day decided to be a better teammate, but that wasn't the topic i responded to not sure why you and tchof morphed it to being a good teammate.

                  it was about if mara and mc wanted geno to start games, no they did not, and im called a conspiracy nut, lol

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by DandyDon View Post
                    It makes no more sense now than it ever did. For a HC to make up an arbitrary time to replace a player that is not based on what is going on in the game or anything football related is dumb.
                    Yes it does, when your season is completely over.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Harooni View Post

                      its not placing fault, im simply dispelling the conspiracy theory that mara and mc expected eli to say no to starting so geno could start. that was not the intention.
                      You said that Eli "wouldn't be a team player" and go along with the plan.

                      Now you have admitted that "the plan" was not for the benefit of the team at all, but was only for Eli's personal benefit. So Eli declining to go along with the pan had nothing to do with being a "team player". Indeed, if the team's goal was to get a look at the other QB's, then Eli's decision not to go along with the plan actually benefited the team at his own expense (his streak was broken).

                      This is why no one takes you seriously here

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                      • #56
                        I just want to say that I agreed with Ben MacAdoo's proposal to have Eli start for the half. If Eli didn't want to start at all, I'd put him out there anyway. Eli had 10 games to make his case to remain starter.

                        Now, when they went with Geno, I would have stuck with that, with Webb a strictly a 4th quarter backup. Yes, Eli give the Giants the best chance of winning - BUT THEY'RE STILL NOT WINNING.

                        **The only reason Eli is still starting is because the FANS aren't paying all that money to see Geno or Webb, especially if this may be Eli's last season.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by BigBlueBoricua View Post

                          Yes it does, when your season is completely over.
                          No it doesnt, if your rationale is that you are trying to win games. And that's what both Mara and Mac claimed.

                          If you think Geno gives you the best chance, then start him. If you think Webb does, then start him. Saying before a game even starts that you are going to switch QB at halftime no matter what is not about winning games, its something you would see in preseason.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by DandyDon View Post

                            No it doesnt, if your rationale is that you are trying to win games. And that's what both Mara and Mac claimed.

                            If you think Geno gives you the best chance, then start him. If you think Webb does, then start him. Saying before a game even starts that you are going to switch QB at halftime no matter what is not about winning games, its something you would see in preseason.
                            I disagree. There is no needed rationale " to win more games " this season. We should begin evaluating and rebuilding now. So what if we win 2 or 3 more games, what will that accomplish or prove.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by BigBlueBoricua View Post

                              I disagree. There is no needed rationale " to win more games " this season. We should begin evaluating and rebuilding now. So what if we win 2 or 3 more games, what will that accomplish or prove.
                              And what will playing Davis Webb accomplish? Do you seriously think they're going to make a decision as to whether or not to draft our next franchise quarterback based on how our 3rd-string QB plays in the final two games of a 2-14 season? If they do, then they've reached a truly staggering level of incompetence.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by TE88 View Post

                                Wrong.

                                The entire thing was to make Geno the starting QB. Webb was never in the picture as we now know. Wasnít ready to play then, and isnít ready now. This is plain as day - we can see Webb is not in the picture.

                                McAdoo took the opening from Mara to playthe young QBs when the game is out of reach and turned it into split halves. Eli gave McAdoo EXACTLY what he wanted by giving up the starting spot so that Geno could play the full game.

                                If McAdoo was not fired I have no doubt in my mind that Geno would have started every single game remaining this season and played every snap too.

                                Eli gave them what they wanted and more. It isnít his job to throw his integrity in the trash to cover a dumbass PR disaster not of his making.

                                McAdoo only wanted Eli to play a half in that it would protect him from being called out. He was too scared to bench Eli outright and he owner gave him an inch which he took a mile with. Thatís why he was fired after the Raiders game and not weeks later. Totally brought it on himself
                                dont think Mara is so innocent. you are living proof that firing these guys when he did took all the heat off Mara.
                                i find it hilarious that the same bunch that were at Mara's throat just 3 weeks ago are now acting like he is a saint.

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