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  • How do you see the nicks contract situation playing out?

    I'm not sure if the details of the Cruz contract have been released yet, so we don't know the yearly breakdown of the 43 mil over 5 years. However, the FO now has a better idea of how the payroll will be allocated over the next few years. This means that they can now get a better sense of what they can pay nicks.

    The giants have some time to figure this out; nicks has one more year on his deal. A lot of the negotiation will revolve around nicks' ability to stay on the field this year. If nicks is healthy the whole season, he will demand a very large contract, probably in the ballpark of 10 MM/yr. The team will be reluctant to pay that much, because jpp will need a new contract the year after that.

    The giants have three clear options:
    1.) sign nicks to a long term deal next offseason. The specifics can vary greatly depending on what happens this year.
    2.) let nicks walk. If he has a great year and is simply demanding too much, the giants may be forced to let him go.
    3.) use this year's franchise tag on nicks. The giants would likely put a non-exclusive tag on him, giving the team an extra year of control, at the risk of another team coming in and grabbing him. If another team claims him, the giants would be eligible for compensatory picks.

    How do you guys see this situation playing out? Sorry if there are any formatting errors, I'm on my phone.

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    This is off topic, but how do you create separate paragraphs on your phone? I can't figure it out on my phone. I have an iPhone.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
      This is off topic, but how do you create separate paragraphs on your phone? I can't figure it out on my phone. I have an iPhone.
      I just hit the return button a few times

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tuck&rolle View Post
        I just hit the return button a few times
        Thanks.
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        • #5
          It's all going to depend on Nicks' production and health, as well as whatever else happens after this season. Likely after 2013 is over, Tuck and Webster will come off the books, freeing up a lot of money.

          I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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          • #6
            It all depends on Nicks, does he want to remain a Giant? Giants projected team Salary for 2015 is $77m and the cap will increase but just going by today's cap limit for 2015 we will have $46mil in cap space, so if they can work out a deal that back loads his contract we will keep him and sign JPP...

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            • #7
              Nicks would be wise to wait un til the end of the 2013 season before seriously negotiating. He needs to address his durability issue with a full season and respectable numbers. On the other side of the coin, Reese has the option of applying the exclusive rights franchise tag to remove competition for Nicks' services from the equation if they decide to pursude a long term deal based on what else is happening, i.e., Randle's development.
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                Nicks would be wise to wait un til the end of the 2013 season before seriously negotiating. He needs to address his durability issue with a full season and respectable numbers. On the other side of the coin, Reese has the option of applying the exclusive rights franchise tag to remove competition for Nicks' services from the equation if they decide to pursude a long term deal based on what else is happening, i.e., Randle's development.
                Good point. Do you know the difference in terms of cost for the exclusive/non-exclusive franchise tag?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tuck&rolle View Post
                  Good point. Do you know the difference in terms of cost for the exclusive/non-exclusive franchise tag?
                  I'd have to look that up but the main issue is the exclusive rights tag eliminates other teams from pursuing the players while the non-exclusive tag allows true free agency.

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                  "There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:
                  • An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. The player's team has all the negotiating rights to the exclusive player
                  • A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position for the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is less. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation."
                  Last edited by RoanokeFan; 07-08-2013, 07:05 PM.
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                    I'd have to look that up but the main issue is the exclusive rights tag eliminates other teams from pursuing the players while the non-exclusive tag allows true free agency.

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                    "There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:
                    • An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. The player's team has all the negotiating rights to the exclusive player
                    • A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position for the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is less. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation."
                    Got it, thanks. Basically the team would save a little money by allowing other teams to talk to him. I wonder how common it is for a non-exclusive tagged player to sign with another team

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      I'd have to look that up but the main issue is the exclusive rights tag eliminates other teams from pursuing the players while the non-exclusive tag allows true free agency.

                      EDIT:


                      "There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:
                      • An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. The player's team has all the negotiating rights to the exclusive player
                      • A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position for the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is less. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation."
                      RK, "whichever is less" in the non-exclusive section is wrong. Wikipedia hasn't corrected that. The actual collective bargaining agreement document (the primary source) states "120% of his prior year salary, whichever is greater" (Article 10 Section 2 Part (a) Subpart (i) Nonexclusive Franchise Tender- Part (B)). Just so i'm not pulling your leg.

                      Here's an opinion: In the era of rookie capped contracts, there may very well be no team willing (or dumb enough) to part with two first round picks for a single player and come up with a high paying offer sheet to trump the guaranteed franchise money at the same time.

                      These days, even with Cruz's RFA tender, we're just seeing these used as a tactic to provide more time to negotiate long-term deals, while also bascially eliminating the player's chance at free agency with other teams.
                      Last edited by BigBlueAllDay; 07-08-2013, 07:31 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tuck&rolle View Post
                        Got it, thanks. Basically the team would save a little money by allowing other teams to talk to him. I wonder how common it is for a non-exclusive tagged player to sign with another team
                        The Giants don't like to use the franchise tag except as a plank over the creek to a long term deal. I don't follow other teams to have an opinion about the rest of the NFL. You do see tags employed but my sense if not all that often. Logically, if you are going to pay a player a lot of money under a tag, you might just as well hammer out a long term deal.
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BigBlueAllDay View Post
                          RK, "whichever is less" in the non-exclusive section is wrong. Wikipedia hasn't corrected that. The actual collective bargaining agreement document (the primary source) states whichever is greater.

                          Here's an opinion: In the era of rookie capped contracts, there may very well be no team willing (or dumb enough) to part with two first round picks for a single player and come up with a high paying offer sheet to trump the guaranteed franchise money at the same time.
                          As we learned with the Cruz tender which only required one first round pick
                          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                          • #14
                            I don't think any team will part with 2 first round picks for nicks, which is why most teams use the non-exclusive tag. But the only reason the giants would use the tag would be as a bridge to a long term deal. No sense paying him top 5 money for one year and then losing him

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tuck&rolle View Post
                              I'm not sure if the details of the Cruz contract have been released yet, so we don't know the yearly breakdown of the 43 mil over 5 years. However, the FO now has a better idea of how the payroll will be allocated over the next few years. This means that they can now get a better sense of what they can pay nicks.

                              The giants have some time to figure this out; nicks has one more year on his deal. A lot of the negotiation will revolve around nicks' ability to stay on the field this year. If nicks is healthy the whole season, he will demand a very large contract, probably in the ballpark of 10 MM/yr. The team will be reluctant to pay that much, because jpp will need a new contract the year after that.

                              The giants have three clear options:
                              1.) sign nicks to a long term deal next offseason. The specifics can vary greatly depending on what happens this year.
                              2.) let nicks walk. If he has a great year and is simply demanding too much, the giants may be forced to let him go.
                              3.) use this year's franchise tag on nicks. The giants would likely put a non-exclusive tag on him, giving the team an extra year of control, at the risk of another team coming in and grabbing him. If another team claims him, the giants would be eligible for compensatory picks.

                              How do you guys see this situation playing out? Sorry if there are any formatting errors, I'm on my phone.

                              It all depends on him staying healthy in 2013!
                              If he does, he'll get his payday....if he goes through 2013 hobbled again, it will be a moot point and Nicks will be an ex Giant in 2014!
                              "I'M ALL FOR IT!"

                              John McKay, HC of the 1976 winless TB Buccaneers, when asked by a reporter, how McKay felt, about the execution of his offense.

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