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  • Politi: Hakeem Nicks Must Prove He's Worth More Than Victor Cruz For The Giants

    http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...he_giants.html

    Excerpt: "This was a day to celebrate for the Giants, with the team signing a popular and productive player to a long-term deal, so no one wants to be a stick in the field turf.

    But what about the other guy?

    Or, to be blunt, what about the better guy?


    The Giants locked up Victor Cruz for another five years, a $43-million deal that, in theory, keeps him in blue until his 32nd birthday. Cruz gets his security in $15.6 million guaranteed and stay in a market where he can continue to salsa his way to endorsement deals. The Giants keep their slot receiver at a price that isn’t too far off what they were reportedly willing to pay all along.

    Cruz is happy. Giants are happy.

    Hakeem Nicks?

    That’ll be the question now. Cruz said one of the reasons he signed the contract extension now, and not try to leverage another good season into a bigger payday, was to avoid another six months of answer the same questions at his locker about contract concerns.

    Nicks will be the one facing those starting at training camp. He’ll earn $2.725 million this season in the final year of his rookie contract, and while Cruz has outperformed him the past two seasons, he’ll likely demand a larger contract as an elite outside receiver who can stretch the field.

    As good as Cruz is – he earned this payday with 168 catches for 2,628 yards and 19 touchdowns – the Giants offense was not the same with Nicks struggling with a knee injury most of last season. The number of passing plays of 40 yards or longer dropped from 18 in 2011 to just 10.

    The Giants want both receivers. But if you were picking just one, you could make a pretty good case for the guy without the big contract. Cruz certainly knows his job is easier paired with Nicks.

    “I’m concerned as a teammate and as a friend because I want to see Hakeem in Giants blue as long as we’re in the NFL,” Cruz said. “There’s always ways to do things in the NFL, and that’s a (bridge) the Giants are going to have to cross when they get there.” Read more...
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

  • #2
    I think Nicks needs to prove "what" his worth to the Giants is and not necessarily more than Cruz. Of course it depends on Randle, Murphy, etc.
    His worht to the team is more important then his worth vs Cruz's...IMO
    "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
    You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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    • #3
      On this board there are Cruz people and there are Nicks people. But reality and stats show, that this team is best when both are on the field. If Nicks stays healthy or healthy enough, and helps this team in a playoff run, similar to his 2011 playoff run, he will get a big payday either from us or someone else. The best way for the Giants to be able to lock Nicks up, would be to try and get something done during the season, although that's probably not going to happen. Sadly, if he hits the open market after a solid season, we will probably lose him to a team that will overpay.
      #80

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      • #4
        Hopefully Nicks can stay healthy. If that happens, everything will work itself out well.
        I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
          Hopefully Nicks can stay healthy. If that happens, everything will work itself out well.
          +1.
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          • #6
            We have a dominant passing game right now. I'm going to enjoy what we have right now. It will be a fun season to watch. Who knows what the future may bring.

            Nicks on the deep ball, Cruz in the slot, Myers over the middle, Wilson on screens,check downs, and swing passes, and Randle as the third outside option, with Eli spreading it around with his aggressive down the field mentality. We can go to the house from anywhere on the field. We will be NASTY!!!
            Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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            • #7
              It's all about Nassib to Robinson.
              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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              • #8
                Being a number 1 if he stays healthy he will get more in line with what Cruz was asking for or slightly more at 10/11 per. Weather giants want to pay that much is another story. Best case for giants is nicks has okay season but not breakout numbers due to Cruz, RR, Murphy and Myers also gettin in on the act. That could translate to something like 9 or so a year and we get to keep him long term
                Football has been very, very good to us.
                After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                4-New York Giants!!!
                5-NE
                Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                • #9
                  As if a season of his absence didn't already prove it. Cruz is simply not the same player without him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by penguinfarmer View Post
                    As if a season of his absence didn't already prove it. Cruz is simply not the same player without him.
                    The entire offense is not the same without Hakeem.
                    Mood: WOOF!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                      On this board there are Cruz people and there are Nicks people. But reality and stats show, that this team is best when both are on the field. If Nicks stays healthy or healthy enough, and helps this team in a playoff run, similar to his 2011 playoff run, he will get a big payday either from us or someone else. The best way for the Giants to be able to lock Nicks up, would be to try and get something done during the season, although that's probably not going to happen. Sadly, if he hits the open market after a solid season, we will probably lose him to a team that will overpay.
                      Nicks' future here may also depend on Randle's continued development. But we are best positioned with both Cruz and Nicks on the field.
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • #12
                        one of the added benefits to getting cruz signed is the competition it will breed in nicks. politi is right, and nicks prob is thinking the same exact thing, that he has to prove it.

                        and, him proving it, is a very good thing for NYG world.


                        and, I know we're going to have to deal with a lot of conjecture because of the situation, but can the opinion that signing cruz was so important when we did because it would be pivotal in the nicks situation not be treated as if it were impossible? because i have a feeling we're going to be seeing 99% of the articles trying to depict the situation doin so in a way that makes it seem like nicks will be unattainable....

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                        • #13
                          Nicks has everything to play for......not really a revelation
                          1....either getting a big contract from the Giants.
                          2....or getting one from another team.
                          "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                          You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                            On this board there are Cruz people and there are Nicks people. But reality and stats show, that this team is best when both are on the field. If Nicks stays healthy or healthy enough, and helps this team in a playoff run, similar to his 2011 playoff run, he will get a big payday either from us or someone else. The best way for the Giants to be able to lock Nicks up, would be to try and get something done during the season, although that's probably not going to happen. Sadly, if he hits the open market after a solid season, we will probably lose him to a team that will overpay.
                            I actually have no alliance either way. I think Cruz got a fair deal and so did we, I think it leaves money for Nicks as long as he can live with something along the lines of 10 mil annual and not 12, I think Nicks is the better player, but I think a player like cruz is harder to find and guys like Nicks are easier.
                            https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheeBloodSport/

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
                              I actually have no alliance either way. I think Cruz got a fair deal and so did we, I think it leaves money for Nicks as long as he can live with something along the lines of 10 mil annual and not 12, I think Nicks is the better player, but I think a player like cruz is harder to find and guys like Nicks are easier.
                              Keeping Nicks is doable as long as he doesn't expect anything outlandish. Compared to Cruz, his first contract wasn't chicken feed but now he's entitled to a big payday, assuming his performance returns to that #1 level, and Reese will make an appropriate offer and negotiate. As with Cruz, if they definitely want to keep Nicks long term, they can apply the franchise tag and continue to negotiate a long term deal as they did with Jacobs a few years back.

                              For 2013 I am thrilled we have both Nicks and Cruz to work with Eli.
                              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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