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  • #16
    Rhett Bomar

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GiantDadx3 View Post
      Many will say that EA was still the mastermind behind that class.
      Right. Because Ernie A. went and got a quality QB that we can build a team around. Being able to lockup actually good players and bringing in new players by either drafting or FA will define JR.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
        Not so much success for that class after 2007 though, so I hope that's not the class that defines him.
        Kevin Boss has had a good career, so has AB, SS and Alford had injuries but were good players when healthy, and Aaron Ross is the only real disappointment, but he's still in the league playing and will play for us this season.

        Koets didn't pan out and I think Michael Johnson got hurt. I haven't seen a draft class from top to bottom that gave a team that much production for any team. Even DeOssie is still with the team and good STer. LOL I think Koets got meaningful PT.

        IMO if you get the first round player right and everybody else wrong then that is not a successful draft class. I repeat, 2007 was the best draft the Giants ever had in terms of top to bottom production, though I think 2004 was the best draft of all time. 1993 was my favorite drat of all time- Jesse and Stray- enough said!
        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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        • #19
          Whoever is Eli's replacement. Chances are the player hasn't been drafted yet. Jerry Reese is a young GM and isn't going anywhere for a long time.

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          • #20
            I don't think you can judge a GM based on one pick. Any one pick in and of itself is hit or miss. You have to look at his body of work in it's entirety. So far JR is the best GM we've ever had in terms of getting production from all players drafted.
            Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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            • #21
              Originally posted by GiantDadx3 View Post
              Many will say that EA was still the mastermind behind that class.
              He retired after the Kiwi draft didn't he? I know that they start looking at some players 2 years ahead of time so I'm sure he passed along his notes and work to make the transition easier for JR, but I think calling him the mastermind is a bit much.
              Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

              http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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              • #22
                Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                Kevin Boss has had a good career, so has AB, SS and Alford had injuries but were good players when healthy, and Aaron Ross is the only real disappointment, but he's still in the league playing and will play for us this season.

                Koets didn't pan out and I think Michael Johnson got hurt. I haven't seen a draft class from top to bottom that gave a team that much production for any team. Even DeOssie is still with the team and good STer. LOL I think Koets got meaningful PT.

                IMO if you get the first round player right and everybody else wrong then that is not a successful draft class. I repeat, 2007 was the best draft the Giants ever had in terms of top to bottom production, though I think 2004 was the best draft of all time. 1993 was my favorite drat of all time- Jesse and Stray- enough said!
                I think 2007 provided the most immediate production, in terms of results on the field in their rookie years. But 2009 got Nicks, Beatty, and Andre Brown. I know Brown bounced around a little but is back here and now these three guys stand to be major parts of our offense.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                  I think 2007 provided the most immediate production, in terms of results on the field in their rookie years. But 2009 got Nicks, Beatty, and Andre Brown. I know Brown bounced around a little but is back here and now these three guys stand to be major parts of our offense.
                  2009 may the best year for JR in terms of quality. All 3 could be Pro Bowlers!
                  Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                  http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                  • #24
                    at this point if one player defines his tenure its got to be Cruz.

                    for me the 07 draft class who were significant players in our march to the super bowl.

                    i will remember for that.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by GiantDadx3 View Post
                      EA will forever be associated with Eli Manning as Eli is, without a doubt, EA's biggest contribution to the team. So I started wondering, who will Jerry Reese most likely be remembered for?

                      Victor Cruz
                      JPP
                      David Wilson
                      Ryan Nassib (If he's a bust)


                      In anticipation for the new season, I started watching some of last year's highlight videos. David Wilson........ I can't recall ever seeing a New York Giant with so much speed AND agility (I'm in my mid 30s BTW). . As goos as Victor Cruz and JPP are, I think Wilson will be special.
                      Nassib won't have anything to do with Reese's contribution just like Rhett Bhomar and Woodson weren't.

                      Cruz, JPP, Wilson, Nicks, and 2007
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MattMeyerBud View Post
                        Nassib won't have anything to do with Reese's contribution just like Rhett Bhomar and Woodson weren't.

                        Cruz, JPP, Wilson, Nicks, and 2007
                        I would also like to add the brilliant FA signings of Kawika Mitchell, Sam Madison, Ballard, and Weatherford
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                        • #27
                          This is a strange question. When has a GM's tenure ever been defined by a single player? I am sure clowns try to do it, but what respectable fan, former player, analyst, writer, etc. has ever proposed that a GM's legacy sinks or swims on the back of one player? Given all the important tasks of a GM it seems like a silly question to ask. But hey, it's the offseason, so I get it!
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by GiantDadx3 View Post
                            Ryan Nassib (If he's a bust)
                            Why would a 4th round pick busting out of the NFL define a GM's tenure? Regardless of his college production, expectations are low and his salary is cheap. Nobody is going to look back and say "Reese really screwed up by drafting a QB in the 4th round that didn't develop into a starter." Bomar was a 5th rounder that didn't even develop into a backup QB for us, there's not much negative discussion about Reese wasting a draft pick on him.

                            The only way the Nassib pick define's Reese's career as our GM, is if he develops into a franchise QB during or after the Eli era.


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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Providence View Post
                              This is a strange question. When has a GM's tenure ever been defined by a single player? I am sure clowns try to do it, but what respectable fan, former player, analyst, writer, etc. has ever proposed that a GM's legacy sinks or swims on the back of one player? Given all the important tasks of a GM it seems like a silly question to ask. But hey, it's the offseason, so I get it!
                              I don't think every good GM has to have a defining moment or aquisition. But there are times when you can look back at a GM and remember him for a certain thing. IE: Accorsi was a great GM but will always be remembered by pulling off the draft day trade for Eli. George Young will be known for bringing in Parcells, LT, and Simms, and turning around the franchise. It may not always be a single player. At this point I don't think JR has that defining player, but two SB's in your first 5 seasons as GM is not a bad thing to hang your hat on.
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                              • #30
                                With first rounder Nicks and undrafted surprise Cruz, I'd have to include 3rd rounder Mario Manningham as a success as well under JR's tenure. Can't forget the unstoppable WR trio of 2011.
                                Last edited by BigBlueAllDay; 07-09-2013, 05:55 PM.

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