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    Im changing my stance and persceptive...

    This team is a head coach, coaching staff and minor adjustments to the team from being NFC East contenders again.

    the locker room issues.. Coaching
    the inept offense... Coaching
    the lack of development... Coaching
    the lack of adjustments.. Coaching

    I'm blaming Everything on Mcadoo and not on the quality of our players.

    the rams, last year they look horrid... Coaching
    McVay hired, 11-5... Coaching

    I dont think the rams are more talented than the giants. I'm gonna cave, fix the offensive line. Don't draft a qb or rb as much as i love Barkley. You take brown or Nelson at 2 or trade back and grab either one. Grab another in FA, hope Adam b. Or wheeler pans out.

    New coach implements his scheme, evaluate webb during this year and go from there. Eli doesn't pan out, play webb. You don't need a great qb to be successful but you give any qb time in the pocket, they can be good. Gallman is serviceable And with an improved line/scheme, who knows...



    That's why we discuss, We all have different perspectives. Ride and Die with the NY Giants

  • #2
    A coach is a very important piece. Not always about the roster. A better coach would of made more of a push to fix the OL as well. Even after 11-5 it was still our weak link.

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    • #3
      Flowers - possibly gone and terrible technique
      Pugh - injured
      Richburg - Injured
      Jerry - can't run block
      Hart - Gone

      Mac didn't do a great job yet disagree that inept offense is on the coach. Add in no OBJ to start the season and then the whole receiving corps is gone.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TrueBlue15 View Post
        A coach is a very important piece. Not always about the roster. A better coach would of made more of a push to fix the OL as well. Even after 11-5 it was still our weak link.
        Completely agree and we didn't have one last season. Let's find one, draft towards fixing the OL
        and take another shot at this.
        That's why we discuss, We all have different perspectives. Ride and Die with the NY Giants

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NYSPORTS View Post
          Flowers - possibly gone and terrible technique
          Pugh - injured
          Richburg - Injured
          Jerry - can't run block
          Hart - Gone

          Mac didn't do a great job yet disagree that inept offense is on the coach. Add in no OBJ to start the season and then the whole receiving corps is gone.
          That's a whole nother problem in itself, Beckham goes down and the offense goes to s***. Beckham did play two or three games and the offense didn't look any better. Remember ,this was McAdoo's offense. In regards to the offensive line, I was happy to see some changes week 17.. promoting Adams and Wheeler. go out and draft the best offensive lineman, pick up another one in free agency and let's see what happens.
          That's why we discuss, We all have different perspectives. Ride and Die with the NY Giants

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dmighty326 View Post

            That's a whole nother problem in itself, Beckham goes down and the offense goes to s***. Beckham did play two or three games and the offense didn't look any better. Remember ,this was McAdoo's offense. In regards to the offensive line, I was happy to see some changes week 17.. promoting Adams and Wheeler. go out and draft the best offensive lineman, pick up another one in free agency and let's see what happens.
            Not buying it. OBJ was never 100%, Marshall dropped the ball and the OL never blocked. Stats indicate teams across the league have stopped throwing deep due to defensive changes and most teams are relying on the drop off pass. A pattern which is easy to defend when no receiver has anytime to go deep.

            It also Mac's offense when Coughlin was here. The OL broke down then too. Difference was, the defenses didn't know how to defend Beckham. That long ball is gone league wide for the most part. Maybe the NFL can change the rules again b/c defense has caught up to offense.

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            • #7
              Having 20 guys on IR didn't seem to help much either

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dwinsballgames View Post
                Having 20 guys on IR didn't seem to help much either

                lol, seriously. It was a skeleton crew at WR for most of the year while the OL was both a skeleton crew and imposters. Blame the coach? When you can't run and have nobody to catch the ball it's kinda tough.

                Basic blocking assignments were blown. Hand off up the middle, crushed. That's the coach? They couldn't execute anything. The whole line who started against Dallas might be gone.
                Last edited by NYSPORTS; 01-03-2018, 02:26 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dmighty326 View Post
                  Im changing my stance and persceptive...

                  This team is a head coach, coaching staff and minor adjustments to the team from being NFC East contenders again.

                  the locker room issues.. Coaching
                  the inept offense... Coaching
                  the lack of development... Coaching
                  the lack of adjustments.. Coaching

                  I'm blaming Everything on Mcadoo and not on the quality of our players.

                  the rams, last year they look horrid... Coaching
                  McVay hired, 11-5... Coaching

                  I dont think the rams are more talented than the giants. I'm gonna cave, fix the offensive line. Don't draft a qb or rb as much as i love Barkley. You take brown or Nelson at 2 or trade back and grab either one. Grab another in FA, hope Adam b. Or wheeler pans out.

                  New coach implements his scheme, evaluate webb during this year and go from there. Eli doesn't pan out, play webb. You don't need a great qb to be successful but you give any qb time in the pocket, they can be good. Gallman is serviceable And with an improved line/scheme, who knows...


                  "I'm blaming Everything on Mcadoo and not on the quality of our players."

                  I blame the players! Malcontents, dog pissers, rotten Apples, and players that just don't give a ****! All gathered by our beloved Reese.
                  Last edited by bigjeep; 01-03-2018, 03:13 PM.
                  Players come and go on the Free Agency Merry-Go-Round, but the N.Y. Giants will always be here!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NYSPORTS View Post

                    Not buying it. OBJ was never 100%, Marshall dropped the ball and the OL never blocked. Stats indicate teams across the league have stopped throwing deep due to defensive changes and most teams are relying on the drop off pass. A pattern which is easy to defend when no receiver has anytime to go deep.

                    It also Mac's offense when Coughlin was here. The OL broke down then too. Difference was, the defenses didn't know how to defend Beckham. That long ball is gone league wide for the most part. Maybe the NFL can change the rules again b/c defense has caught up to offense.
                    so we should fix the offensive line? Lol
                    that appears to be your argument
                    That's why we discuss, We all have different perspectives. Ride and Die with the NY Giants

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dmighty326 View Post

                      so we should fix the offensive line? Lol
                      that appears to be your argument
                      No, just change the coach and everything will great.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by NYSPORTS View Post

                        No, just change the coach and everything will great.
                        a few changes in addition. Not saying it's all coaching but im putting more emphasis on that.
                        That's why we discuss, We all have different perspectives. Ride and Die with the NY Giants

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dmighty326 View Post

                          a few changes in addition. Not saying it's all coaching but im putting more emphasis on that.
                          So you're changing your stance again? Kinda tough to follow your direction.

                          "This team is a head coach, coaching staff and minor adjustments to the team from being NFC East contenders again.

                          the locker room issues.. Coaching
                          the inept offense... Coaching
                          the lack of development... Coaching
                          the lack of adjustments.. Coaching"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NYSPORTS View Post

                            So you're changing your stance again? Kinda tough to follow your direction.

                            "This team is a head coach, coaching staff and minor adjustments to the team from being NFC East contenders again.

                            the locker room issues.. Coaching
                            the inept offense... Coaching
                            the lack of development... Coaching
                            the lack of adjustments.. Coaching"
                            Come on now... my original stance was to draft a qb or Barkley. Now I believe the issue is more due to the inept coaching abilities of McAdoo. In addition to that change which is going to be made we also need to upgrade the offensive line, possibly drafting 1 but keeping Eli while continuing to nurture webb
                            That's why we discuss, We all have different perspectives. Ride and Die with the NY Giants

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dmighty326 View Post

                              Come on now... my original stance was to draft a qb or Barkley. Now I believe the issue is more due to the inept coaching abilities of McAdoo. In addition to that change which is going to be made we also need to upgrade the offensive line, possibly drafting 1 but keeping Eli while continuing to nurture webb
                              Ok, so blame the coach for the OL despite all five starters from opening night possibly not being in uniform next year. Eli just gave every indication he doesn't want to be a mentor to a Top pick. Webb, we have no idea what he is. How did nurturing Nassib work? Did Kanell, Graham, Brown or Maddox get better with nurturing? How many of those teams in the 90's would have won more with a QB?

                              It's a QB league and Mara didn't send Reese to California to scout for nothing. He himself said "isn't it time to start looking?". Mara then gave his endorsement to try other QB's yet apparently it was Mac who botched the messaging and the whole scenario blew up. The whole organization knows Eli is 37. Unless this is a perfect world, I'm not banking on Eli hanging around to mentor a top pick, Webb getting his mentoring to be good, rebuilding the entire OL and wining with Eli before he retires and then the next QB just slides in so we don't miss a beat. Can we stop please.

                              Odds are Eli restructures, gets traded, the Giants go QB and you never know what they're going to do with Beckham. Incredible talent and head case. Not to mention, the whole mess isn't his fault yet this organization has been crap since that boat trip. Don't think that isn't on the radar.

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