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  • If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

    I was looking at the expiring contracts at the end of this season and players with 1 year left after this season and its going to be a big mess.

    Eli will be making $10.75M next season and deserves it...hes our franchise QB.

    Jacobs will be making $4.4M next year in a backup role with Bradshad making $3M.

    The Receiver situation is scary because Mario Manningham's contract will be up next year. Hakeem Nicks deserves more than $750k and Cruz deserves more than $490k...we could have a holdout here. Hixon is in his last year of his contract too. Jake Ballard is in his final year as well, I dont see Reese going out the way to give Ballard a big contract if some other team does.

    The Offensive Line will see some changes. Mckenzie contract will be up, He most likely will not be resigned unless he takes a huge paycut. Snee will be making $5.7M and been underperforming, Diehl will be making 3.8M and Baas will get an increase next year from 1M to 3M next year.

    At Defensive End...Osi will most likely make trade demands but JPP will be in his second year of his rookie contract and is only $825k, he deserves more than that. Canty will be making $6M...he needs to take a paycut or we will be seeing some holdouts there. Kiwi will be making 4M next season.

    At Linebacker, Goff's contract is up, and he will be coming back from injury, Boley will make $4M.

    At Secondary unit...we invested alot of money here and still we got players who really need to get paid more. Ross will not be resigned, unless they choose not to pay Thomas who is coming back from injury. Kenny Phillips will have one more year remaining and has been our best play in the secondary and still playing on a ROOKIE contract. Phillips may hold out because with his knee condition, I think its smart for him to make as much guaranteed money as he can.

    Next year could be a big mess. I dont know all these players agents. But if they have Drew Rohenaus we are in big trouble. Next year, will almost look like a rebuilding period and imagine if we fire the coaching staff....we would really be rebuilding.


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    Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

    I don't think it will be a huge issue since a lot of those guys are really expendable, especially manningham, his inconsistency isn't worth more than 1.5-2mil cap hit. I don't think ballard will cost much because I'm pretty sure he will be a RFA and let's be honest, he's Dan Campbell who made a once in a lifetime catch. A lot of these linemen are pushing towards 10th seasons, and have never been as good as they were in the first half of 2008. Its very similiar to how the Brown-Parker-Zeigler-Stone regression started going down.

    The only issues I see are keeping Cruz and Kiwi

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    • #3
      Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

      [quote user="NYG 5"]I don't think it will be a huge issue since a lot of those guys are really expendable, especially manningham, his inconsistency isn't worth more than 1.5-2mil cap hit. I don't think ballard will cost much because I'm pretty sure he will be a RFA and let's be honest, he's Dan Campbell who made a once in a lifetime catch. A lot of these linemen are pushing towards 10th seasons, and have never been as good as they were in the first half of 2008. Its very similiar to how the Brown-Parker-Zeigler-Stone regression started going down. The only issues I see are keeping Cruz and Kiwi[/quote]I agree, I see much more opportunity in our contract situations than problems. I think we get to clean up thing considerably. An example would be in how thngs have changed for the better since pre-season at WR. Back then we didn't have any idea how good Cruz is. With his emergence we will get top production for minimal salary cap hit. At the same time we won't have to over pay MM for his considerable inconsistency and lack of field discipline.It's all part of the regenerating process and we will be fine.
      No one remembers who came in second.

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      • #4
        Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

        I think they find a way to keep Manningham. There's other fat to be cut.

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        • #5
          Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

          I very much doubt any of the young guys hold out, they know they are in contract years and will try to put up better numbers to earn more money. That's what the vast vast majority of players do. It's exceedingly rare for players to hold out, that's why it makes the news

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          • #6
            Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

            [quote user="T-Murda84"]I was looking at the expiring contracts at the end of this season and players with 1 year left after this season and its going to be a big mess.

            Eli will be making $10.75M next season and deserves it...hes our franchise QB.

            Jacobs will be making $4.4M next year in a backup role with Bradshad making $3M.

            The Receiver situation is scary because Mario Manningham's contract will be up next year. Hakeem Nicks deserves more than $750k and Cruz deserves more than $490k...we could have a holdout here. Hixon is in his last year of his contract too. Jake Ballard is in his final year as well, I dont see Reese going out the way to give Ballard a big contract if some other team does.

            The Offensive Line will see some changes. Mckenzie contract will be up, He most likely will not be resigned unless he takes a huge paycut. Snee will be making $5.7M and been underperforming, Diehl will be making 3.8M and Baas will get an increase next year from 1M to 3M next year.

            At Defensive End...Osi will most likely make trade demands but JPP will be in his second year of his rookie contract and is only $825k, he deserves more than that. Canty will be making $6M...he needs to take a paycut or we will be seeing some holdouts there. Kiwi will be making 4M next season.

            At Linebacker, Goff's contract is up, and he will be coming back from injury, Boley will make $4M.

            At Secondary unit...we invested alot of money here and still we got players who really need to get paid more. Ross will not be resigned, unless they choose not to pay Thomas who is coming back from injury. Kenny Phillips will have one more year remaining and has been our best play in the secondary and still playing on a ROOKIE contract. Phillips may hold out because with his knee condition, I think its smart for him to make as much guaranteed money as he can.

            Next year could be a big mess. I dont know all these players agents. But if they have Drew Rohenaus we are in big trouble. Next year, will almost look like a rebuilding period and imagine if we fire the coaching staff....we would really be rebuilding.[/quote]

            Don't be surprised if they let both Bradshaw and Jacobs go. Manningham will likely be gone and not that much of a loss given Nicks and Cruz. Barden should be released, IMO as should Beckum, Diehl, Baas and maybe McKenzie.

            They have serious CAP ground to make up in order to get some decent FA's, short term, for the OLine and LB slots.

            I'd sign Nicks and Cruz to long term extensions.
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • #7
              Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

              MM has no leverage at all. If he doesn't like the Giants offer they let him walk. He is not going to be a great loss if he leaves. They'll trade Osi and move Kiwi BACK to DE again. As for the db's TT is a wait and see maybe a 1 year deal to see if he's ok, Ross is GONE!! They willbe fine.

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              • #8
                Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

                Releasing Beckum and Barden saves them very little in terms of cap.

                No sense in cutting either unless they have other players that are upgrades.

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                • #9
                  Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

                  [quote user="slipknottin"]Releasing Beckum and Barden saves them very little in terms of cap.

                  No sense in cutting either unless they have other players that are upgrades.[/quote]

                  Slip, you could replace both of them as a upgrade!
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #10
                    Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

                    [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="slipknottin"]Releasing Beckum and Barden saves them very little in terms of cap.

                    No sense in cutting either unless they have other players that are upgrades.[/quote]

                    Slip, you could replace both of them as a upgrade!
                    [/quote]

                    Not disagreeing, but you keep both of them until you find their upgrades, and if it's aminor upgrade, you may chose not to do it if that player costs significantly more.

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                    • #11
                      Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason



                      I dont think Cruz or Nicks will hold out. Both seem humble, but you never know.

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                      • #12
                        Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

                        [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="T-Murda84"]I was looking at the expiring contracts at the end of this season and players with 1 year left after this season and its going to be a big mess.

                        Eli will be making $10.75M next season and deserves it...hes our franchise QB.

                        Jacobs will be making $4.4M next year in a backup role with Bradshad making $3M.

                        The Receiver situation is scary because Mario Manningham's contract will be up next year. Hakeem Nicks deserves more than $750k and Cruz deserves more than $490k...we could have a holdout here. Hixon is in his last year of his contract too. Jake Ballard is in his final year as well, I dont see Reese going out the way to give Ballard a big contract if some other team does.

                        The Offensive Line will see some changes. Mckenzie contract will be up, He most likely will not be resigned unless he takes a huge paycut. Snee will be making $5.7M and been underperforming, Diehl will be making 3.8M and Baas will get an increase next year from 1M to 3M next year.

                        At Defensive End...Osi will most likely make trade demands but JPP will be in his second year of his rookie contract and is only $825k, he deserves more than that. Canty will be making $6M...he needs to take a paycut or we will be seeing some holdouts there. Kiwi will be making 4M next season.

                        At Linebacker, Goff's contract is up, and he will be coming back from injury, Boley will make $4M.

                        At Secondary unit...we invested alot of money here and still we got players who really need to get paid more. Ross will not be resigned, unless they choose not to pay Thomas who is coming back from injury. Kenny Phillips will have one more year remaining and has been our best play in the secondary and still playing on a ROOKIE contract. Phillips may hold out because with his knee condition, I think its smart for him to make as much guaranteed money as he can.

                        Next year could be a big mess. I dont know all these players agents. But if they have Drew Rohenaus we are in big trouble. Next year, will almost look like a rebuilding period and imagine if we fire the coaching staff....we would really be rebuilding.[/quote]

                        Don't be surprised if they let both Bradshaw and Jacobs go.* Manningham will likely be gone and not that much of a loss given Nicks and Cruz.* Barden should be released, IMO as should Beckum, Diehl, Baas and maybe McKenzie.

                        They have serious CAP ground to make up in order to get some decent FA's, short term, for the OLine and LB slots.

                        I'd sign Nicks and Cruz to long term extensions.
                        [/quote]

                        I agree with every point you make.....although I'm not so sure AB gets let go. Yes, I know he has his recurring foot issues, but he truly is an attitude adjuster for the team, and for some opponents.

                        I think his value to the team lies beyond just his yardage. He picks up the whole offense, even when he gets just 35-40 yards in a game. And his presence in the game since his return sure has picked up Jacobs' game the last few weeks.

                        But everything else you list here would be good moves, imo, most especially signing long term extensions NOW with Nicks and Cruz.

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                        • #13
                          Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

                          We wont be in big trouble and here is why:
                          At QB:
                          Eli is making $10+Mil - Franchise Qb
                          RB:
                          Bradshaw $3+Mil - Good #
                          Jacobs - $4+Mil - He will be cut
                          WR:
                          Nicks $1+Mil - Resign him to a long term deal
                          Cruz - I believe he will be a RFA if so Resign him
                          Mario - FA - Resign only for $1-2 Mil
                          TE:
                          Ballard - I believe has a extra year left?
                          LT:
                          Beatty $1+Mil - Good #
                          LG:
                          Diehl $5+Mil - Cut him
                          C:
                          Bass $3+Mil - Cut him
                          RG:
                          Snee $6+Mil - I will let him slide for this year
                          RT:
                          Mckenzie - FA - Only resign for $1 Mil
                          LE:
                          Tuck $5+Mil -Good #
                          RE:
                          JPP - $3+Mil - Good #
                          Osi - $8+Mil - Trade him
                          DT:
                          Canty - $6+Mil - Cut/Trade/restructure makes way too much
                          Joesph and Austin are making about $1+Mil each - Good #
                          LOLB:
                          Boley: $5+Mil - Ok....
                          MLB:
                          Goff - FA - Resign for $2-4 Mil.
                          Herzlich and Jones and Williams are all under $1Mil so good
                          ROLB:
                          Kiwi $3+Mil - Good #
                          CB:
                          Webster $9+Mil - could be lower..
                          Thomas - FA - Resign with the Kiwi 2 year deal
                          Prince $2+Mil - Good #
                          Ross - FA - Resign only for $1-3Mil
                          FS:
                          Rolle $6+Mil - Has to be Cut/Trade or restructured. Way too high.
                          SS:
                          Phillips $3+Mil - Good #
                          Kicker + Punter
                          Tynes $1.5Mil - Would like to search for a better K
                          Weatherford - FA - Been good for dirt cheap. Try to resign
                          The CAP situation isnt bad...





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                          • #14
                            Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

                            [quote user="T-Murda84"]I was looking at the expiring contracts at the end of this season and players with 1 year left after this season and its going to be a big mess.

                            Eli will be making $10.75M next season and deserves it...hes our franchise QB.

                            Jacobs will be making $4.4M next year in a backup role with Bradshad making $3M.

                            The Receiver situation is scary because Mario Manningham's contract will be up next year. Hakeem Nicks deserves more than $750k and Cruz deserves more than $490k...we could have a holdout here. Hixon is in his last year of his contract too. Jake Ballard is in his final year as well, I dont see Reese going out the way to give Ballard a big contract if some other team does.

                            The Offensive Line will see some changes. Mckenzie contract will be up, He most likely will not be resigned unless he takes a huge paycut. Snee will be making $5.7M and been underperforming, Diehl will be making 3.8M and Baas will get an increase next year from 1M to 3M next year.

                            At Defensive End...Osi will most likely make trade demands but JPP will be in his second year of his rookie contract and is only $825k, he deserves more than that. Canty will be making $6M...he needs to take a paycut or we will be seeing some holdouts there. Kiwi will be making 4M next season.

                            At Linebacker, Goff's contract is up, and he will be coming back from injury, Boley will make $4M.

                            At Secondary unit...we invested alot of money here and still we got players who really need to get paid more. Ross will not be resigned, unless they choose not to pay Thomas who is coming back from injury. Kenny Phillips will have one more year remaining and has been our best play in the secondary and still playing on a ROOKIE contract. Phillips may hold out because with his knee condition, I think its smart for him to make as much guaranteed money as he can.

                            Next year could be a big mess. I dont know all these players agents. But if they have Drew Rohenaus we are in big trouble. Next year, will almost look like a rebuilding period and imagine if we fire the coaching staff....we would really be rebuilding.[/quote]
                            RB - I'd probably keep BJ AND AB 1 more year, unless they draft a highly touted RB ready to play.

                            WR - sign Nicks and Cruz. MM will sign somewhere else as a # 2. Lets see what Barden can do as a # 3 (unless they draft a WR).

                            TE - I'm not breaking the bank for Ballard, and Ballard may want to stick around a little longer with the QB that put him on the map. The Giants need to figure him out early, though, and draft a TE if Ballard splits.

                            OL - they should have started addressing this last year and are now playing catchup. I'd love to draft a LB in the 1st, but I really believe that their 1st pick this year will be on the OL. The Giants have done a good job of turning lower drafted picks on the OL into good talent, so hopefully they can do it again.

                            DE - Osi's got to go for cap space alone, and Kiwi should be moved up to DE full time. If they draft a DE in the 1st round (like they are prone to do), then I'd probably trade Kiwi as well for cap space. DT -- hopefully Austin can contribute next year alongside Joseph and Canty. I'd let Bernard go.

                            LB - They should be able to keep Goff cheap for at least one year. I keep Boley, and move Kiwi up to DE or trade him if we draft another. Time to draft / sign some real LBs.

                            Secondary -- you're right...we've spent a lot of money and picks on this unit. Web and Phillips stay and I sign TT if he'll take a 1-yr deal and passes the physical. I keep Rolle assuming he's allowed to play to his strengths next year. Plus we've got Prince. It's about time this unit solidify once and for all.

                            I'm not interested in bringing in big name FAs anyway. Draft your superstar talent and fill in the gaps with capable starters (i.e. AP) and backups via FA.

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                            • #15
                              Re: If u think this Offseason was a Mess, Wait til Next's Years Offseason

                              do you guys have a website you're using to see the players salaries and what their cap #s are?

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