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  • #46
    Originally posted by Diamondring View Post

    Study the playbook. Many routes dont take a long time to develop and Eli had time to throw the ball to his receivers plenty of times.
    true...but how much time did he have to go through his reads? More times than not it was pretty much first or second read and throw.

    OL is/ was a problem no matter how you slice it or twist it. With that said I also think when Eli had more time on individual plays he fell short in his performance. Eli is now one of the problems with the offense.
    "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
    You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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    • #47
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFyNcogwZog

      ereck flowers = athleticism is the chalenge

      bottom line of the analytics is that he is not even an average NFL athlete, let alone an elite top ten pick type of an athlete

      look how low those minimum starter numbers are though
      he is far above the worst starter in the league, as crazy as that may sound

      FWIW

      i found it interesting
      Last edited by bigpoppy; 02-09-2018, 10:29 AM.

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      • #48
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02WaR5gWNGA

        defense was worse than the offense

        the team was really bad at everything

        blow it up and draft a future QB???
        Last edited by bigpoppy; 02-09-2018, 10:31 AM.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by GameTime View Post

          true...but how much time did he have to go through his reads? More times than not it was pretty much first or second read and throw.

          OL is/ was a problem no matter how you slice it or twist it. With that said I also think when Eli had more time on individual plays he fell short in his performance. Eli is now one of the problems with the offense.
          There are only 5 main blocker and the defense can send more thwn the O-line can block. Many teams have O-line problems then. Look at Tampa. How about the Bills and Bengals.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by IrishMike357 View Post
            This place cracks me up.

            2015 Cowboys - 4-12
            2016 Cowboys - 13-3

            2016 Eagles - 7-9
            2017 Eagles - 13-3 Super Bowl Champs

            2016 Rams - 4-12 (14 PPG) 32nd in league
            2017 Rams - 11-5 (29.9 PPG) 1st in league


            I'm not saying the Giants will 100% be better next year, but it is very foolish to think they can't be better next year. Especially since free agency and the draft has not happened yet.
            ok, the 2015 cowboys had brandon weeden and company playing QB for them which was why they were so awful. the 2016 rams and eagles both had rookie QBs. i'm not saying the giants are going to be 3-13 again next year, but i think it's definitely going to be a two steps forward one step back kind of season.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Diamondring View Post
              There are only 5 main blocker and the defense can send more thwn the O-line can block. Many teams have O-line problems then. Look at Tampa. How about the Bills and Bengals.
              Yeah so....
              the Oline is still THE issue. Plain and simple. We need oline help as a primary not receiver help
              "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
              You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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              • #52
                Originally posted by GameTime View Post

                Yeah so....
                the Oline is still THE issue. Plain and simple. We need oline help as a primary not receiver help
                No it is not. Defense is. Yet since new gm let some go I heard, now it is.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Diamondring View Post

                  Lack of route developement? Many routes have one move or two in the family tree. You are actually saying the receivers didn't complete their route making them be unable to look for the ball.

                  many bad blocking can be due to bad coaching wich I see when I saw the O-line pass block.
                  No What i was saying is the QB had no time because the line protection was so bad to let the route develop. It was blatant every game for the past 2 seasons.
                  There's two times of year for me: Football season, and waiting for football season.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Diamondring View Post

                    No it is not. Defense is. Yet since new gm let some go I heard, now it is.
                    so what on D do we need more than quality Oline players both starters and depth
                    "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                    You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by GameTime View Post

                      so what on D do we need more than quality Oline players?
                      A pass rusher.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Elidagoat713 View Post

                        A pass rusher.
                        yes this is true but
                        not more than oline help.
                        "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                        You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by GameTime View Post

                          so what on D do we need more than quality Oline players?
                          Lbs and faster cover guys.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by TEM View Post

                            No What i was saying is the QB had no time because the line protection was so bad to let the route develop. It was blatant every game for the past 2 seasons.
                            Not true at all. Put up the Pats stats and the Giants. Brady has only a thousand more yards than Eli. Brady and Breese along with some others have been putting up freakish numbers for years and Eli should be right with them.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Diamondring View Post

                              Not true at all. Put up the Pats stats and the Giants. Brady has only a thousand more yards than Eli. Brady and Breese along with some others have been putting up freakish numbers for years and Eli should be right with them.
                              Pats had #1 O in the league Giants had the 21st. Pats scored 11 more points per game on average. The two offenses were not close or similar at all
                              "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                              You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                              • #60
                                I would prefer to say that we need to "create an OL."

                                We are no longer "rebuilding that sorry unit." There is nothing to rebuild.
                                If we have 5 new parts next year (unlikely) it wouldn't bother me.
                                None of them are really worth fighting to keep.

                                The good news is that upgrading every spot will not be difficult.
                                No one remembers who came in second.

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