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  • Originally posted by jomo View Post
    That is realistic only if your team sucks.
    Or if your RT isn't too good.
    Engage brain before speaking.

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    • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
      Well first off, we were talking about run blocking.

      Second off, they both evaluate things differently, one stats based, the other film based

      Both concluded the giants had an OL that was top 5 in the league in run blocking.
      OK..so you are saying to trust them on run blocking evaluation but ignore them on pass blocking.

      Got it...they are only the two best sources for run blocking. Who would you suggest for pass blocking evaluation I wonder?
      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
        Um. DD was the starter at RT last season. And he is still on the roster.

        And just like all the other giants first round picks, there is always competition at their spot when they get here. They have to prove they are good players before they are handed the job.
        And before the draft they told him to take an 80% pay cut, down to near the vet minimum or be released.
        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
          OK..so you are saying to trust them on run blocking evaluation but ignore them on pass blocking.

          Got it...they are only the two best sources for run blocking. Who would you suggest for pass blocking evaluation I wonder?
          Im not saying to ignore them at all.

          They evaluate different things. FO is purely based on the NFL gamebooks which track things like down and distance, where the run went, and that sort of thing.

          PFF is based purely on film watch, and they can track things like hurries, which the NFL gamebook does not record.

          In terms of pass blocking, because PFF tracks more data relevant to it, then PFF would be more accurate.

          But none of that is even relevant to run blocking. Which you can use the two to compare and find an average if you want. Not overly surprising, but the stats based and film based ratings are often very similar.

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          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
            And before the draft they told him to take an 80% pay cut, down to near the vet minimum or be released.
            Because when guys take pay cuts they are no longer allowed to be the starter? Im not sure what you are attempting to say here.

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            • Originally posted by speedman View Post
              I can't take credit for flub, I was replying to Rosie who used it. I trust no one on these boards.
              I have no idea where that word came from.

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              • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                Because when guys take pay cuts they are no longer allowed to be the starter? Im not sure what you are attempting to say here.
                When a guy goes from $4MM to $1MM, its clear that they no longer see him as a starter. That's barely over the vet minimum.
                When Webby goes from $7MM to $4MM, he's still a starter.
                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                • Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
                  I have no idea where that word came from.
                  But its awesome anyway!
                  Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    When a guy goes from $4MM to $1MM, its clear that they no longer see him as a starter. That's barely over the vet minimum.
                    When Webby goes from $7MM to $4MM, he's still a starter.
                    So guys getting the vet minimum can never be starters?

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                    • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                      Im not saying to ignore them at all.

                      They evaluate different things. FO is purely based on the NFL gamebooks which track things like down and distance, where the run went, and that sort of thing.

                      PFF is based purely on film watch, and they can track things like hurries, which the NFL gamebook does not record.

                      In terms of pass blocking, because PFF tracks more data relevant to it, then PFF would be more accurate.

                      But none of that is even relevant to run blocking. Which you can use the two to compare and find an average if you want. Not overly surprising, but the stats based and film based ratings are often very similar.
                      I'm saying that when they have such a discrepancy on pass blocking, how can we trust them in evaluating run blocking.
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                        I'm saying that when they have such a discrepancy on pass blocking, how can we trust them in evaluating run blocking.
                        Because Im telling you exactly why there is a discrepancy on the pass blocking data. One accounts for hits/hurries, and the other does not.

                        Stop with the red herrings.

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                        • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                          So guys getting the vet minimum can never be starters?
                          You have to use judgement on this. If a guy needs to help with cap space and he's a starter they usually restructure. But when a 10 year vet who's performance has fallen over the past several years is asked to take an 80% pay cut to an amount near the vet minimum, logic suggests they see him as a back up.
                          And most of us agree that DD is back-up quality at this point in his career. Now he's being talked about as the starter. This raises no eyebrows with you?
                          It does me.
                          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            You have to use judgement on this. If a guy needs to help with cap space and he's a starter they usually restructure.
                            Cant restructure in the last year of a deal. Same with Webster, both were pretty much straight cuts because they needed the cap space.

                            Still I dont think it means anything to be saying "this guy is the starter" when its three days into training camp.

                            But that is also largely the giants way, they almost never start any draft picks as opening week starters.

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                            • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                              Because Im telling you exactly why there is a discrepancy on the pass blocking data. One accounts for hits/hurries, and the other does not.

                              Stop with the red herrings.
                              Yes but regardless of the way they determine it, the object is to rate the O line's performance. One has them as the 3rd best pass blocking team in the league and the other has then at 20.
                              THEY decide what the criteria is based on their belief in its validity in determining the quality of the line.
                              YOU claim that these are the go to services for this, and yet they differ tremendously.
                              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                              • Originally posted by speedman View Post
                                He's been in camp for 4 days and he's already being talked about as a flub of a pick?
                                yeah. and apparently, it means DD is the starter and the competitions over...i dunno why but rudy found that funny?

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