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  • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
    Cant restructure in the last year of a deal. Same with Webster, both were pretty much straight cuts because they needed the cap space.

    Still I dont think it means anything to be saying "this guy is the starter" when its three days into training camp.

    But that is also largely the giants way, they almost never start any draft picks as opening week starters.
    Webby went from high starter money to medium starter money. DD went from starter money to back up money.

    You may be right about the statement made 3 days into camp. But if DD is the starter week 1 and Pugh is a healthy back up, I say that is a huge disappointment to the FO.
    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
      You have to use judgement on this. If a guy needs to help with cap space and he's a starter they usually restructure. But when a 10 year vet who's performance has fallen over the past several years is asked to take an 80% pay cut to an amount near the vet minimum, logic suggests they see him as a back up.And most of us agree that DD is back-up quality at this point in his career. Now he's being talked about as the starter. This raises no eyebrows with you?It does me.
      It's only the 4th day of camp.
      Engage brain before speaking.

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      • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
        Yes but regardless of the way they determine it, the object is to rate the O line's performance. One has them as the 3rd best pass blocking team in the league and the other has then at 20.
        THEY decide what the criteria is based on their belief in its validity in determining the quality of the line.
        YOU claim that these are the go to services for this, and yet they differ tremendously.
        Well you find me another place that evaluates OL that is trustworthy and accurate. Until then, my sources will have to do.

        As I said, both give the giants a top 5 run blocking grade.

        What they give the OL in penalties or pass blocking or anything else, is irrelevant

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        • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
          There are two places that evaluate OL performances throughout the league. Footballoutsiders, and profootballfocus.

          Footballoutsiders ranks the giants run blocking #2 in the league. (#3 pass blocking)

          Profootballfocus ranked them #4 run blocking, and #20 pass blocking.


          Now what is your argument for believing the giants were terrible run blocking?
          u got a link slip? bc i know one of those sites had us at 11. i just looked it up the other day. i could be looking at a diff yr than u r tho maybe?

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          • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
            Why is it any different?

            And we arent at opening day yet, either. We are three days into training camp. They havent even put pads on yet.
            DD already won the competition man...its not even a competition at this point...lol.

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            • Originally posted by Delicreep View Post
              Well...it's not me saying he's the man, right? That was Flaherty that said that.I'm not saying you are wrong; I said I don't have all the info to understand his place on the team.Is he in decline? Effected by injury? Is he back in form? Will he get outplayed by Pugh?I have no clue.
              Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
              yeah. and apparently, it means DD is the starter and the competitions over...i dunno why but rudy found that funny?
              You wouldn't understand
              Mood: WOOF!

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              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                Webby went from high starter money to medium starter money. DD went from starter money to back up money.

                You may be right about the statement made 3 days into camp. But if DD is the starter week 1 and Pugh is a healthy back up, I say that is a huge disappointment to the FO.
                Or corners are far more valuable than RTs? You can compare the highest paid RT to the highest paid CB if you wish.

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                • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                  Cant restructure in the last year of a deal. Same with Webster, both were pretty much straight cuts because they needed the cap space.

                  Still I dont think it means anything to be saying "this guy is the starter" when its three days into training camp.

                  But that is also largely the giants way, they almost never start any draft picks as opening week starters.
                  and, i'd like to add, how selfless has DD been as a Giant? guy has bent over backwards putting the team first. i highly doubt that DD thought that his salary reduction meant he wasnt starting. in fact, by DDs own words, he still expected to be the starter.

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                  • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                    u got a link slip? bc i know one of those sites had us at 11. i just looked it up the other day. i could be looking at a diff yr than u r tho maybe?
                    PFF gave the giants 11th overall. #4 run blocking and #20 pass blocking, and #12th in penalties.

                    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nsive-lines/3/

                    FO does not give an "overall" rating, just a separate run blocking and pass blocking ratings.
                    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

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                    • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                      Or corners are far more valuable than RTs? You can compare the highest paid RT to the highest paid CB if you wish.
                      Let me be more specific. $4MM is pretty normal for a starting corner. $1MM is pretty normal for a back up RT.

                      I'm not comparing corner pay to RT pay.
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • i see competition as a good thing. i want Pugh to start week 1 only if he wins the competition. if DD wins it, im not gonna be mad at Pugh. Im gonna be stoked for DD bc the coaches believe he cn be effective still. im all for givin him that chance, guys been on the OL for 2 SBs. Besides, Pughs day is coming, there is no disputing that anyways. i dont know thats just me i dont wanna be too short sighted.

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                        • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                          PFF gave the giants 11th overall. #4 run blocking and #20 pass blocking, and #12th in penalties.

                          https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nsive-lines/3/

                          FO does not give an "overall" rating, just a separate run blocking and pass blocking ratings.
                          http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
                          oh ok. thanks for clarifying.

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                          • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mul...content.3.html

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                            • So now I'm out.
                              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                                Let me be more specific. $4MM is pretty normal for a starting corner. $1MM is pretty normal for a back up RT.

                                I'm not comparing corner pay to RT pay.
                                Diehls cap hit this season is 3.12 mil. So probably a bit above average in terms of starting RT.

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