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  • Originally posted by Glaw View Post
    And that just shows the prospect that Barkley is. If he lives up to the pick( he's 233 and runs a 4.4 with hands like a reciever ) then we just got our greatest rb in Giants' history and I can live with that.
    I have every confidence that Barkley will be a very good player...just hate taking him with the second pick. that's all.

    Darrius Guice has just as much chance to have a huge impact. As do several of the RB's picked in a huge RB draft this year.
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    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

      I have every confidence that Barkley will be a very good player...just hate taking him with the second pick. that's all.

      Darrius Guice has just as much chance to have a huge
      impact. As do several of the RB's picked in a huge RB draft this year.
      So all rbs are 233 lbs run a 4.4(faster than Odell) and have a 41' vetrical( best of all players at the combine). There's a reason none of the other rbs rated this high.

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      • Originally posted by Glaw View Post

        So all rbs are 233 lbs run a 4.4(faster than Odell) and have a 41' vetrical( best of all players at the combine). There's a reason none of the other rbs rated this high.
        Not sure what the vertical jump has to do with being a RB and I hope he doesn't get air born in the NFL!!

        Rasheed Penny weights 220 and also ran a 4.4 and was more of a bruising back(experts claim)...

        Penny was the RB I was hoping the Giants would select when they traded the 2nd pick but as we all know that didn't happen..

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        • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post

          You do realize you are banging your head against the wall talking to a guy who has no player evaluations skills and just argues his stupid point that you can always find a Hunt or Kamara after round 1, right?
          Why is his point stupid???
          I find it to be the truth so what am I missing???

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          • Originally posted by Liquid Tension View Post

            Not sure what the vertical jump has to do with being a RB and I hope he doesn't get air born in the NFL!!

            .
            Not sure what doing 13 back flips in a row have to do with being a great DE, but then I saw JPP hit the field.
            It shows off athleticism, not a bad trait in a rb that you can send out as a receiver.

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            • Originally posted by Glaw View Post

              So all rbs are 233 lbs run a 4.4(faster than Odell) and have a 41' vetrical( best of all players at the combine). There's a reason none of the other rbs rated this high.
              The RB position is a heck of a lot more than size and speed. Vision, elusiveness, patience, burst, anticipation, instincts running in traffic, are just a few qualities that go a long way for an NFL RB.
              Having said that...he looks like a heck of a prospect.
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              • Originally posted by Glaw View Post
                Not sure what doing 13 back flips in a row have to do with being a great DE, but then I saw JPP hit the field.
                It shows off athleticism, not a bad trait in a rb that you can send out as a receiver.
                They were back handsprings...not back flips.

                What David Wilson did in the endzone was a back flip.


                Sorry...Pet peeve.
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                • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

                  Precisely.
                  Hunt and Kamara were taken in the third round. Bell in the second.
                  That's where you are supposed to take RB's....later in the draft.
                  According to who? If a stud player is missed in the 1st round, the teams that did not get a stud player in the 1st "screwed the sky". If players of the caliber of the 3 you touted were not taken in the 1st . That is hard to fathom for teams that are have trouble winning. The NFL has a lot of we are not good enough outside of NE GB Pittsburg Denver The Ravens and Our beloved Giants. What I do not get is why would those teams let obvious talent slide to follow a antiquated mindset that only has proven to be effective for a select few.
                  "Three things can happen when you throw the ball, and two of them are bad." Darrell Royal

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                  • Originally posted by TEM View Post

                    According to who? If a stud player is missed in the 1st round, the teams that did not get a stud player in the 1st "screwed the sky". If players of the caliber of the 3 you touted were not taken in the 1st . That is hard to fathom for teams that are have trouble winning. The NFL has a lot of we are not good enough outside of NE GB Pittsburg Denver The Ravens and Our beloved Giants. What I do not get is why would those teams let obvious talent slide to follow a antiquated mindset that only has proven to be effective for a select few.
                    Me.
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                    • Originally posted by TEM View Post

                      According to who? If a stud player is missed in the 1st round, the teams that did not get a stud player in the 1st "screwed the sky". If players of the caliber of the 3 you touted were not taken in the 1st . That is hard to fathom for teams that are have trouble winning. The NFL has a lot of we are not good enough outside of NE GB Pittsburg Denver The Ravens and Our beloved Giants. What I do not get is why would those teams let obvious talent slide to follow a antiquated mindset that only has proven to be effective for a select few.
                      Morehead State cherry picks one draft and argues his weak point ad nauseam. If he took the time to look back a minimum of 5 drafts, he would realize the the probablility of finding a quality NFL RB after round 1 is a low percentage. But he doesn't do that, because he is what he is. No value added.

                      But of course he doesn't realize Barkley is 230, runs a 4.4, stout lower body, great hands, very good in pass pro....

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                      • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post

                        Morehead State cherry picks one draft and argues his weak point ad nauseam. If he took the time to look back a minimum of 5 drafts, he would realize the the probablility of finding a quality NFL RB after round 1 is a low percentage. But he doesn't do that, because he is what he is. No value added.

                        But of course he doesn't realize Barkley is 230, runs a 4.4, stout lower body, great hands, very good in pass pro....
                        There are definitely some 1st round RB's who are fine players. Elliott, Gurley, Melvin Gordon come to mind. But let's look at some of the elite RB's over the last several years.in football. Forget the 2017 draft.

                        LeSean McCoy, Jordan Howard, LeVeon Bell, David Johnson, Devonta Freeman. Forget Kamara, Cook, Mixon and Hunt.
                        That is a list of most of the elite RB's in the NFL over the past 5 years or so.

                        It's not like the QB position, and GM's draft accordingly. They know that scheme and O line are as or more determinative in success of the running game than the back himself.
                        That's why so many great backs come from later in the draft. They know that QB, pass rusher, cover corner and LT are the premium positions early in the draft. They know that almost all the best teams who go to or win SB's have a backfield that split carries. Including the 2007 and 2011 Giants.

                        And they also know that even the best RB';s today who get a lot of carries have a very limited time of effectiveness. Great QB's can be effective for 10, 15 or more years. Great RB's?....Far far less.
                        THAT is today's NFL.
                        Last edited by Morehead State; 06-08-2018, 08:32 PM.
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                        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

                          There are definitely some 1st round RB's who are fine players. Elliott, Gurley, Melvin Gordon come to mind. But let's look at some of the elite RB's over the last several years.in football. Forget the 2017 draft.

                          LeSean McCoy, Jordan Howard, LeVeon Bell, David Johnson, Devonta Freeman. Forget Kamara, Cook, Mixon and Hunt.
                          That is a list of most of the elite RB's in the NFL over the past 5 years or so.

                          It's not like the QB position, and GM's draft accordingly. They know that scheme and O line are as or more determinative in success of the running game than the back himself.
                          That's why so many great backs come from later in the draft. They know that QB, pass rusher, cover corner and LT are the premium positions early in the draft. They know that almost all the best teams who go to or win SB's have a backfield that split carries. Including the 2007 and 2011 Giants.

                          And they also know that even the best RB';s today who get a lot of carries have a very limited time of effectiveness. Great QB's can be effective for 10, 15 or more years. Great RB's?....Far far less.
                          THAT is today's NFL.
                          Great RBs just as great Qbs all had longevity . The notion that a great back can not survive is a myth.


                          Again the players on this list say and prove you to be wrong.

                          https://www.pro-football-reference.c...yds_career.htm
                          Last edited by TEM; 06-09-2018, 08:23 AM.
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                          • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post

                            Morehead State cherry picks one draft and argues his weak point ad nauseam. If he took the time to look back a minimum of 5 drafts, he would realize the the probablility of finding a quality NFL RB after round 1 is a low percentage. But he doesn't do that, because he is what he is. No value added.

                            But of course he doesn't realize Barkley is 230, runs a 4.4, stout lower body, great hands, very good in pass pro....
                            The entire mind set that a RB has no longevity is false. The notion that RBs should be taken in the later rounds is now being challenged. The concept to draft in the 1st for pass the ball, or stop the pass has been proven to be chains for some teams. . Some GMs are getting away from that mindset and taking BPA not BPA for a predetermined position (DE,QB, CB,WR and LT ). That model due to the limitations of the amount of talent coming out of the NCAA is opening eyes on how flawed that drafting discipline is proving to be.
                            Just My 2 cents.

                            As far as Morehead . he is a good guy. Stubborn as a mule ,as we all are. We are all atypical fans.

                            I want to say this you and I disagree more then agree on most issues and the direction the team should go.
                            I still believe we have a center issue if Jones gets hurt. I still think we should have drafted a center. That is irrelevant now we did not.

                            You should come over to Rosey's site . It would not be the same without you. Your a good fan and poster. Your input is valued. Some won't admit it but it is. This board has the most knowledgeable fans for a reason.
                            Last edited by TEM; 06-09-2018, 08:54 AM.
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                            • Originally posted by TEM View Post

                              Great RBs just as great Qbs all had longevity . The notion that a great back can not survive is a myth.


                              Again the players on this list say and prove you to be wrong.

                              https://www.pro-football-reference.c...yds_career.htm
                              Not only is it not a myth, but it's proven out by the facts. Show me a back that has played in the last ten years or so at a high level for 15 years, like Drew Brees has...or Tom Brady , or Ben Roethlisberger, or Rivers, or like Rodgers clearly will. Or even Eli if you think he's still playing at a high level.

                              They don't. Even Adrian Peterson only had about 8 good years in his career.

                              Look at Chris Johnson. The guy had 2000 yards and then was ordinary. Terrell Davis is in the HOF. How many good years? Maybe 5. The days of Emmitt Smith or Walter Payton playing a long time are over.
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                              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

                                Not only is it not a myth, but it's proven out by the facts. Show me a back that has played in the last ten years or so at a high level for 15 years, like Drew Brees has...or Tom Brady , or Ben Roethlisberger, or Rivers, or like Rodgers clearly will. Or even Eli if you think he's still playing at a high level.

                                They don't. Even Adrian Peterson only had about 8 good years in his career.

                                Look at Chris Johnson. The guy had 2000 yards and then was ordinary. Terrell Davis is in the HOF. How many good years? Maybe 5. The days of Emmitt Smith or Walter Payton playing a long time are over.
                                You are making an argument that does not work. all the Qb you mentioned all have a commonality They do not get hit. RBs get hit.

                                Did you even bother to look at the list or the longevity of them

                                You obviously did not.


                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...T/TomlLa00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MartCu00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JameEd00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...B/BettJe00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...T/TaylFr00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JackSt00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...D/DunnWa00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...L/LewiJa00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...L/LyncMa00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...G/GeorEd00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WattRi00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...B/BarbTi00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...A/AlexSh00.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/McCoLe01.htm

                                https://www.pro-football-reference.c...C/CharJa00.htm

                                I can add more all have went past your maybe 5 years false narrative.

                                Instead of producing your own facts . Try to show some hard evidence to support your 5 year celling and or lack of longevity. Up to this point the real facts are disagreeing with your non facts.
                                Last edited by TEM; 06-09-2018, 02:43 PM.
                                "Three things can happen when you throw the ball, and two of them are bad." Darrell Royal

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