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  • Originally posted by Parademon1 View Post

    The Giants haven't even had an effective run game with a split backfield in 5yrs.
    You mean back when they had Bradshaw and Jacobs and won 2 SB's?
    You mean back then?
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    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

      Absolutely fantastic example. Played 8 seasons at a relatively high level, a few bad seasons. Then season 9 came and he hit the wall...as most RB's do...even great ones. 1200 yards in his last two seasons (of play).
      But you keep saying 5yrs is the max that great RBs can be "effective"? How are so many of these RBs playing 8+ & still putting up 1000yd seasons? You really need to stop putting the great RBs in the same pile as you do the mediocre to bad RBs that are out of the NFL after less than 5yrs.

      Had you said that the avg to bad RB has a less than 4-5yr lifespan in the NFL, I woulda concurred with you 100%, but to lump in all RBs in that category, you are dead wrong.

      Dallas won the div in 2014-2016 when conveniently, they had the NFL leader in rushing yds. How bout that.

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      • Originally posted by Parademon1 View Post

        But you keep saying 5yrs is the max that great RBs can be "effective"? How are so many of these RBs playing 8+ & still putting up 1000yd seasons? You really need to stop putting the great RBs in the same pile as you do the mediocre to bad RBs that are out of the NFL after less than 5yrs.

        Had you said that the avg to bad RB has a less than 4-5yr lifespan in the NFL, I woulda concurred with you 100%, but to lump in all RBs in that category, you are dead wrong.

        Dallas won the div in 2014-2016 when conveniently, they had the NFL leader in rushing yds. How bout that.
        Not at all. RB's can play more than 5 year and be effective as well. It';s just not the norm. The norm for most other positions is a lot longer as far as solid NFL starters are concerned.

        And may I say, using that Dallas Cowboys of this era as the standard for championship teams is poor salesmanship.
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        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

          Not at all. RB's can play more than 5 year and be effective as well. It';s just not the norm. The norm for most other positions is a lot longer as far as solid NFL starters are concerned.

          And may I say, using that Dallas Cowboys of this era as the standard for championship teams is poor salesmanship.
          I hate Dallas, I just stated a fact that they won the div in yrs where their RB led the NFL in rushing, that is not a coincidence. An effective to very effective ground game will get you in the playoffs. 9 of the top 10 run teams in the NFL last yr made the playoffs. 4 of the top 10 made it to their respective title games & 2 made it to the SB.

          What many of you "anti RB" fans don't seem to comprehend is that once you make the playoffs, you are playing against some of the top 10 defenses in the NFL & if you don't have a balanced pass/run offense & are only strong in one or the other, you will get beat because the D will focus on stopping your strength & force you to beat it with your weakness.

          Did you think the Giants D was concerned with stopping the Patriots run game in SB 42 or SB 46? Hell no! They were focused on negating their strength, Brady & the passing attack. If we don't stop Brady in either SB , we get destroyed in both of them.

          Dallas is the opposite imo, negate their run game & Zeke, force Dak to beat you with his arm & you have a very good chance of beating them. Let Zeke run all over you for 120-130+, that's gonna open up the play action pass for Dak & enable him to do rollouts & have more success due to Zeke tearing up the D. How great did Dak look when Denver stuffed Zeke for 8yds in week 2 last yr? They got smashed 42-17 How great did he look during the 6 game suspension & that 3 game losing streak where he played like the 4th rd pick he is.

          Yet, a few weeks later in week 6, the 0-5 Giants were able to run for 148yds on that same Denver D & beat them 23-10

          When you can run the ball effectively & move the chains & eat up clock, it benefits your QB & your D. Dallas D gave up 42 pts, Giants D just 10 & we all know the Giants D was not better than the Dallas D nor any other D last yr, but for that 1 game they were thanks to the run game helping the Giants get out to a 17-3 halftime lead, in the 2nd half, Denver had to pretty much abandon their run game to play catchup the rest of the way hence their 394 passing yds that still just netted them 10 pts.


          If the Giants can run the ball effectively this yr & the D rebounds to 2016 status, this team will be playoff bound.



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          • Originally posted by Parademon1 View Post

            I hate Dallas, I just stated a fact that they won the div in yrs where their RB led the NFL in rushing, that is not a coincidence. An effective to very effective ground game will get you in the playoffs. 9 of the top 10 run teams in the NFL last yr made the playoffs. 4 of the top 10 made it to their respective title games & 2 made it to the SB.

            What many of you "anti RB" fans don't seem to comprehend is that once you make the playoffs, you are playing against some of the top 10 defenses in the NFL & if you don't have a balanced pass/run offense & are only strong in one or the other, you will get beat because the D will focus on stopping your strength & force you to beat it with your weakness.

            Did you think the Giants D was concerned with stopping the Patriots run game in SB 42 or SB 46? Hell no! They were focused on negating their strength, Brady & the passing attack. If we don't stop Brady in either SB , we get destroyed in both of them.

            Dallas is the opposite imo, negate their run game & Zeke, force Dak to beat you with his arm & you have a very good chance of beating them. Let Zeke run all over you for 120-130+, that's gonna open up the play action pass for Dak & enable him to do rollouts & have more success due to Zeke tearing up the D. How great did Dak look when Denver stuffed Zeke for 8yds in week 2 last yr? They got smashed 42-17 How great did he look during the 6 game suspension & that 3 game losing streak where he played like the 4th rd pick he is.

            Yet, a few weeks later in week 6, the 0-5 Giants were able to run for 148yds on that same Denver D & beat them 23-10

            When you can run the ball effectively & move the chains & eat up clock, it benefits your QB & your D. Dallas D gave up 42 pts, Giants D just 10 & we all know the Giants D was not better than the Dallas D nor any other D last yr, but for that 1 game they were thanks to the run game helping the Giants get out to a 17-3 halftime lead, in the 2nd half, Denver had to pretty much abandon their run game to play catchup the rest of the way hence their 394 passing yds that still just netted them 10 pts.


            If the Giants can run the ball effectively this yr & the D rebounds to 2016 status, this team will be playoff bound.


            This team is going to need outstanding QB play to make the playoffs. If If If is all fine. None of it matters if the QB deosn't play a heck of a lot better than he has recently.
            Do you know how many really good teams there are in the NFC?
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            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

              4-12 without Romo but WITH a top 10 rushing attack.
              . That's just shows you that you don't need just any back you needa great one. A few years ago we had 1600 yards rushing, I think 2015 but our run game still stunk lol.


              How about fournette?

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              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

                4-12 without Romo but WITH a top 10 rushing attack.
                McFadden was actually the 4th RB in the league that year (in terms of total yards from scrimmage) behind that Cowboys line.

                Zeke was second the next year (although he had almost 600 total yards more than McFadden had the year before).

                Zeke, though, actually played with a viable passing attack that opposing defenses had to respect....

                So Zeke definitely had a positive effect, but to suggest he was solely responsible for the team's turnaround is silly.
                Last edited by TCHOF; 06-12-2018, 03:38 PM.

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                • Originally posted by DarkSaint View Post
                  . That's just shows you that you don't need just any back you needa great one. A few years ago we had 1600 yards rushing, I think 2015 but our run game still stunk lol.


                  How about fournette?
                  Jags 7-6 with Fournette last year, 3-0 without him.

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                  • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post

                    McFadden was actually the 4th RB in the league that year (in terms of total yards from scrimmage) behind that Cowboys line.

                    Zeke was second the next year (although he had almost 600 total yards more than McFadden had the year before).

                    Zeke, though, actually played with a viable passing attack that opposing defenses had to respect....

                    So Zeke definitely had a positive effect, but to suggest he was solely responsible for the team's turnaround is silly.
                    Precisely correct. He had a positive effect. But the play of the QB was the big surprise and a far greater impact on the team.
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                    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

                      "Running the ball first" will not be the new era if the NFL has anything to say about it. They have rigged the rules to favor the passing game for the last 20+ years.
                      You essentially can't hit the QB unless you are less than a step away. You can touch his helmet. You can't tackle him below the thighs.
                      You can't touch WR's after 5 yards. It is SO easy to throw the ball in this league. That is how you win. That is how you score.
                      NOW..they won't let a RB lower his head at contact. It's not only becoming easier to throw it, it's getting harder to run it.

                      The league used to be "run the ball and stop the run". Now it's "throw the ball and disrupt the QB".


                      As I said, the league has adapted to it. QB's, LT's, cover corners and pass rushers are the highest paid players in this league. They all relate to the passing game. If you want to put your head in the sand that's on you.

                      This is the new NFL and it's here to stay.
                      Just the because the league is rigged to pass the ball does not in any way dismiss what those running yardage stats show for the 17 season .I believe it is a trend that will continue.

                      Configuring the league rules to make it pass friendly will never change the talent problems that have arisen as a result of the pass first league . They are undeniable. You can put a mule in the Kentucky derby and spot him half the track .He still ain't winning. GMs are starting to realize that.
                      Last edited by TEM; 06-13-2018, 05:51 PM.
                      "Three things can happen when you throw the ball, and two of them are bad." Darrell Royal

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                      • The GIANTS Are going to be a RUN FIRST TEAM, the writing is and has been on the wall for quite some time, even before drafting Barkley. WOW you really have no foresight at all Igivemoreheadstate. Anyone with half a brain can deduce that with everything Gettleman and Shumer have said. OLD SCHOOL SMASH MOUTED GIANTS FOOTBALL is back Thank God for that. Reese and his FINESSE B.S. has been proven that it doesn't work. There is a new ERA of Giants Football and it started back in December the day Gettleman was hired. Either accept it or get off the train, it is what it is

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                        • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post

                          Jags 7-6 with Fournette last year, 3-0 without him.
                          Who were those 3 wins against?

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                          • Originally posted by couchcoach100 View Post
                            The GIANTS Are going to be a RUN FIRST TEAM, the writing is and has been on the wall for quite some time, even before drafting Barkley. WOW you really have no foresight at all Igivemoreheadstate. Anyone with half a brain can deduce that with everything Gettleman and Shumer have said. OLD SCHOOL SMASH MOUTED GIANTS FOOTBALL is back Thank God for that. Reese and his FINESSE B.S. has been proven that it doesn't work. There is a new ERA of Giants Football and it started back in December the day Gettleman was hired. Either accept it or get off the train, it is what it is
                            You're probably right since our QB is in steep decline. I can see us running the ball more.

                            Good for you.
                            Deny everything. Admit nothing. Make counter accusations.

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                            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

                              You're probably right since our QB is in steep decline. I can see us running the ball more.

                              Good for you.
                              LOL, still taking shots at Eli at every chance you get,what did I tell you about playing well with others???

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                              • Originally posted by G1.. View Post

                                LOL, still taking shots at Eli at every chance you get,
                                Absolutely. Like shooting fish in a barrel with these guys.
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