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  • Giants 'need more pass rushers,' Justin Tuck says

    http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...rt_river_index

    Excerpt: "To say that the Giants struggled to sack the quarterback last season would be a drastic understatement.

    Only the Indianapolis Colts and Tampa Bay Buccaneers registered more quarterback sacks than the Giants' 27 in 2017, and former defensive end Justin Tuck has a simple suggestion to improve in that pivotal category this season.

    "They need more pass rushers," Tuck said last week during the BTIG charity day in New York. "When I was playing, we had a big assortment of guys that could fit that mold,. But, I really like Lorenzo Carter, their third-round pick. He's a guy that kind of fits the mold that can get after the passer. I know that was a weakness for their defense last year, but I know this new staff is trying to address that. We can always use more pass rushers."

    The Giants hope that Carter can provide a spark rushing the passer off the edge. Standing 6-foot-5 and 250 pounds, Carter logged 21.5 tackles for loss and 14.0 sacks in four seasons as a starter at Georgia after being a five-star recruit out of high school." Read more...
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  • #2
    Carter had 14 sacks in 4 years. That’s not a pass rusher. He’s an athlete. Hopefully they can teach him to be a rusher, but if you watch game film over a quick highlight real you see why he went in Round 3.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BigBlueTradeEli View Post
      Carter had 14 sacks in 4 years. That’s not a pass rusher. He’s an athlete. Hopefully they can teach him to be a rusher, but if you watch game film over a quick highlight real you see why he went in Round 3.
      There are some good break downs on why his sack number was so low. Hopefully with a good game plan he can be better in the NFL. I'm hoping Avery Moss can be productive too. In the end you can never have enough pass rushers.
      LT (132.5) -> Strahan (141.5) -> Osi (65) -> Tuck (60.5) -> JPP (50) -> ???
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      • #4
        Originally posted by IrishMike357 View Post
        There are some good break downs on why his sack number was so low. Hopefully with a good game plan he can be better in the NFL. I'm hoping Avery Moss can be productive too. In the end you can never have enough pass rushers.
        Wasn't that what Jerry Reese would say every draft year.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by IrishMike357 View Post
          There are some good break downs on why his sack number was so low. Hopefully with a good game plan he can be better in the NFL. I'm hoping Avery Moss can be productive too. In the end you can never have enough pass rushers.
          I liked the pick, I'm not hating on Carter. I'm just saying he's kind of raw as a rusher and we are in dire need of someone to step up in 2018 or we're not going to have a pass rush. I'm skeptical as to how successful he'll be from the jump. Georgia isn't exactly a small school Carter was getting very good coaching there. As an athlete his combine #s were off the charts. His game film is what slid him to Round 3. If his tape matched his combine he'd have been a top 10 pick, his combine was that impressive. I've seen guys with weaker combines put themselves into Round 1 simply on the athleticism scouts saw. His athleticism is off the charts, on par with any yet he still slid.
          Last edited by BigBlueTradeEli; 05-17-2018, 09:00 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
            http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...rt_river_index

            Excerpt: "To say that the Giants struggled to sack the quarterback last season would be a drastic understatement.

            Only the Indianapolis Colts and Tampa Bay Buccaneers registered more quarterback sacks than the Giants' 27 in 2017, and former defensive end Justin Tuck has a simple suggestion to improve in that pivotal category this season.

            "They need more pass rushers," Tuck said last week during the BTIG charity day in New York. "When I was playing, we had a big assortment of guys that could fit that mold,. But, I really like Lorenzo Carter, their third-round pick. He's a guy that kind of fits the mold that can get after the passer. I know that was a weakness for their defense last year, but I know this new staff is trying to address that. We can always use more pass rushers."

            The Giants hope that Carter can provide a spark rushing the passer off the edge. Standing 6-foot-5 and 250 pounds, Carter logged 21.5 tackles for loss and 14.0 sacks in four seasons as a starter at Georgia after being a five-star recruit out of high school." Read more...
            I've been saying this all along. Lack of pass rush is our #1 deficiency.........and was last year as well.
            Deny everything. Admit nothing. Make counter accusations.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by fifthavephil View Post

              Wasn't that what Jerry Reese would say every draft year.
              No. Ernie Accorsi used that phrase after drafting Kiwanuka.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

                I've been saying this all along. Lack of pass rush is our #1 deficiency.........and was last year as well.
                Again while I agree with you on how important it is ,last year was about the O ........or lack of it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by fifthavephil View Post

                  Wasn't that what Jerry Reese would say every draft year.
                  Yea, he stopped following his own advice and started drafting OL in early rounds. Rest is history.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by G1.. View Post
                    Again while I agree with you on how important it is ,last year was about the O ........or lack of it.
                    Everything was bad last year. Our defense was ranked 31st BTW. It was last until the final game where the Redskins mailed it in....allowing us to climb to 31st.

                    In a 3-13 season with such a horrible offense it';s easy to look past the pass rush problem. But if you hope to compete in a meaningful way...you have to get after the QB.
                    Deny everything. Admit nothing. Make counter accusations.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...rt_river_index

                      Excerpt: "To say that the Giants struggled to sack the quarterback last season would be a drastic understatement.

                      Only the Indianapolis Colts and Tampa Bay Buccaneers registered more quarterback sacks than the Giants' 27 in 2017, and former defensive end Justin Tuck has a simple suggestion to improve in that pivotal category this season.

                      "They need more pass rushers," Tuck said last week during the BTIG charity day in New York. "When I was playing, we had a big assortment of guys that could fit that mold,. But, I really like Lorenzo Carter, their third-round pick. He's a guy that kind of fits the mold that can get after the passer. I know that was a weakness for their defense last year, but I know this new staff is trying to address that. We can always use more pass rushers."

                      The Giants hope that Carter can provide a spark rushing the passer off the edge. Standing 6-foot-5 and 250 pounds, Carter logged 21.5 tackles for loss and 14.0 sacks in four seasons as a starter at Georgia after being a five-star recruit out of high school." Read more...
                      We've had this problem for 4 years now.
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                      • #12
                        Our defense stinks. It's a major, major problem. I don't think it's been upgraded, I think it is arguably worse. They'll be learning a new scheme which is a built in excuse in September. If it has a pass rush it will come from guys who never rushed the QB well learning to rush the QB well. The corners 2-5 are led by Eli Apple who many wanted cut and whose only hope is potential flashed in spurts, he's been awful on and off the field for the most part.

                        If you take the Giant fan out of yourselves for a second and look at this D on paper, it is absolutely awful. No pass rush and poor coverage people has never and will never work in the modern NFL. Our only hope is winning games 31-27 etc.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BigBlueTradeEli View Post
                          Our defense stinks. It's a major, major problem. I don't think it's been upgraded, I think it is arguably worse. They'll be learning a new scheme which is a built in excuse in September. If it has a pass rush it will come from guys who never rushed the QB well learning to rush the QB well. The corners 2-5 are led by Eli Apple who many wanted cut and whose only hope is potential flashed in spurts, he's been awful on and off the field for the most part.

                          If you take the Giant fan out of yourselves for a second and look at this D on paper, it is absolutely awful. No pass rush and poor coverage people has never and will never work in the modern NFL. Our only hope is winning games 31-27 etc.
                          I disagree about our DB's. I think Jenkins is still one of the best cover corners in the league. I still think we are above average in the D backfield.

                          But the pass rush is horrible.
                          Deny everything. Admit nothing. Make counter accusations.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Morehead State View Post

                            I disagree about our DB's. I think Jenkins is still one of the best cover corners in the league. I still think we are above average in the D backfield.

                            But the pass rush is horrible.
                            1 corner can be schemed away by an offense. You are not concerned about the other corners? Eli Apple? William Gay? I'd honestly need to copy and paste the other names from the depth chart because I have no clue who they are.

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                            • #15
                              No kidding, there coming next year and the following year. The team is being built before your eyes. But it's going to compete right now.

                              We seem to be very weak as a pass rush. Thus the blitz packages are the only real way of producing a consistent pass rush imo. Carter who hasn't played a down and was passed in the first 2 rds looks like our best option.

                              We couldn't invest in a pass rush any higher in the draft than we did. We did great considering the 2 D players we got with the early 3rd rd picks.

                              We'll get there who knows lets see who breaks loose as camp goes on.

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