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    Player Snaps Grade

    *Mike Patterson 25 +1.4
    *Spencer Paysinger** 68 +1.3
    *Justin Tuck 47 +0.8
    *Linval Joseph** 34 +0.4
    *Jon Beason** 63 +0.3
    *Ryan Mundy** 62 +0.2
    *Jacquian Williams 5 +0.2
    *Mark Herzlich 6 +0.1
    *Cullen Jenkins** 38 -0.3
    *Mathias Kiwanuka 39 -0.3
    *Will Hill 40 -0.3
    *Johnathan Hankins 8 -0.8
    *Jason Pierre-Paul** 60 -1.5
    *Terrell Thomas** 62 -1.8
    *Keith Rivers** 28 -1.9
    *Prince Amukamara** 68 -2.3
    *Shaun Rogers** 27 -2.8
    *Antrel Rolle** 68 -2.8

    Rolle near the bottom again....way to earn your huge paycheck.

  • #2
    Tuck with a positive grade.. LMAO. Thats why these grades are a joke..
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    • #3
      Tuck has a +0.8? Now that's surprising

      And Prince has a -2.3, that's not right. Prince actually played well yesterday.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
        Tuck with a positive grade.. LMAO. Thats why these grades are a joke..
        You don't understand the grades....typical ignorance.....they grade EVERY play, not just the ones you remember

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        • #5
          Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
          You don't understand the grades....typical ignorance.....they grade EVERY play, not just the ones you remember
          I don't need stats, I watched Tuck get pushed around like a little kid all night. He was brutal. The fact that he comes away with a positive number is rediculous. Why because he batted one ball??? PFF means nothing.

          For instance if you look at this nonsense without watching the game, you'd think Tuck had a better night than Beason. Is that the conclusion you came away with after watching last night???
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          • #6
            Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
            I don't need stats, I watched Tuck get pushed around like a little kid all night. He was brutal. The fact that he comes away with a positive number is rediculous. Why because he batted one ball??? PFF means nothing.

            For instance if you look at this nonsense without watching the game, you'd think Tuck had a better night than Beason. Is that the conclusion you came away with after watching last night???
            Right, and what you didn't see was Tuck led the team in QB hurries. Look, Tuck is nowhere near the player he used to be, I get that. But don't diss PFF because you obviously didn't watch and grade Tuck on every play. If you did, you would have seen the plays where he won his matchup.

            And while Beason looked good on many plays, there were plenty of others where he lost his matchup. You didn't see those either, you only saw his good plays.
            Last edited by moosedrool; 10-11-2013, 09:12 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
              Right, and what you didn't see was Tuck led the team in QB hurries. Look, Tuck is nowhere near the player he used to be, I get that. But don't diss PFF because you obviously didn't watch and grade Tuck on every play. If you did, you would have seen the plays where he won his matchup.
              When winning a match up actually leads to points, turnovers, or loss of yardage, or even tackles, then I will take these grades for something. Until then, they mean nothing. What I care about, is when they are running the ball at Tuck and a TE is pushing him 10 yards across the field like he is an inflatable weeble/wobble...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                When winning a match up actually leads to points, turnovers, or loss of yardage, or even tackles, then I will take these grades for something. Until then, they mean nothing. What I care about, is when they are running the ball at Tuck and a TE is pushing him 10 yards across the field like he is an inflatable weeble/wobble...
                What you care about is not real football. I have been using these grades for 5 years for fantasy football player and matchup analysis. They are really good and I have won a ton of money using them. If you want to grade Tuck on the the 5-10 plays you saw him look like crap, go ahead.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                  What you care about is not real football. I have been using these grades for 5 years for fantasy football player and matchup analysis. They are really good and I have won a ton of money using them. If you want to grade Tuck on the the 5-10 plays you saw him look like crap, go ahead.
                  So you say that what I care about is not real football, and then proceed to tell me that you use these grades for FANTASY football. Which is real?? LMFAO!

                  So if you are drafting your team, based on PFF grades, how many points does "winning matchups" get you in fantasy football? This is a joke. Football is about making plays, that's all. If you want to applaud a guy for winning a lot of matchups but rarely ever coming withing 5 yards of the QB, then go right ahead..
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                  • #10
                    I used to blindly back up my opinions with PFF stats but some of their grades make no sense. They cannot possibly grade accurately because they do not know the scheme's of each team. Like with Eli's picks, some of them are off of miscommunications with the WRs but that doesnt get taken in to account.

                    Or for dbacks for instance, how do they know if something was a blown coverage on one db or the other. Like if a corner is playing short because hes supposed to have help but the safety wasnt there. How do they know who blew the assignment? They can't possibly know this.
                    Last edited by JSpin; 10-11-2013, 09:38 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by giantsfan4lyfee View Post
                      Tuck has a +0.8? Now that's surprising

                      And Prince has a -2.3, that's not right. Prince actually played well yesterday.
                      Prince played well? He made one good play against the run.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                        Prince played well? He made one good play against the run.
                        Agree, Prince has had a tough time the past two weeks.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JSpin View Post
                          I used to blindly back up my opinions with PFF stats but some of their grades make no sense. They cannot possibly grade accurately because they do not know the scheme's of each team. Like with Eli's picks, some of them are off of miscommunications with the WRs but that doesnt get taken in to account.

                          Or for dbacks for instance, how do they know if something was a blown coverage on one db or the other. Like if a corner is playing short because hes supposed to have help but the safety wasnt there. How do they know who blew the assignment? They can't possibly know this.

                          It's laughable when Tuck grades out higher than a LB that had 11 solo tackles.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                            It's laughable when Tuck grades out higher than a LB that had 11 solo tackles.
                            I didn't think Beason played very well. An improvement over Herzlich, sure. But you can't judge how he played by his tackle count

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                            • #15
                              There was one running play to the Giants right side where Tuck was pushed toward the sidelines which pissed me off quite a bit. Tuck had a Giant defender to his right between the ball carrier and the sideline where he should have at least held the blocker up - if not kick him to the right. Instead, Tuck lets himself be pushed out of the play and, adding insult to injury, also knocks the other Giant defender off the play. There's no way Tuck should have been manhandled/directed like that.

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