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  • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    I agree his offense's performance has been concerning this year. Player talent helps. There is no Arian Foster or AJ in NY. He had a much better run blocking line as well.

    I don' think OC's automatically get credit for players performances. If so, do we give KG credit for Eli's 2 SB years? IDK about that.

    I think Eli is better then Schaub, but the combination of Cruz, Nicks, and Randle, and AB are less than Arian Foster and Andre Johnson.

    No matter who we get, I know we need somebody new, but whoever they are they will need to upgrade the interior of the offensive line.
    In the end, he might not be a bad choice, but there are definitely concerns . ..

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    • What are people going to do when Eli's interceptions and poor play continue with the new OC?

      blame the new OC?

      Probably, considering is an 'elite' QB. Right....

      Honestly, I couldn't see truly elite QB's like P. Manning, A. Rodgers, T. Brady every doing this poorly regardless of system.

      People need to understand that Eli is very average. Having scapegoats for Eli (Gilbride) is convenient but of course kind of silly.

      It'll be nice to see how this enfolds and how people on these boards react.

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      • Originally posted by CGYgiant View Post
        What are people going to do when Eli's interceptions and poor play continue with the new OC?

        blame the new OC?

        Probably, considering is an 'elite' QB. Right....

        Honestly, I couldn't see truly elite QB's like P. Manning, A. Rodgers, T. Brady every doing this poorly regardless of system.

        People need to understand that Eli is very average. Having scapegoats for Eli (Gilbride) is convenient but of course kind of silly.

        It'll be nice to see how this enfolds and how people on these boards react.

        In the great debate of execution vs play-calling, we can only look at history... and history shows that the KG system is a feast or famine type of offense... more importantly it shows that it is more dependent on great offensive line play. While I agree that Eli is not Rodger, Peyton or Brady, he is better than he has played this year. Blame the system, or blame the player... or be logical and realize it is both. The problems with KG were most evident during the recent Dallas game where they had a very good running game, but did not use play action to help boost the passing game. They actually went with an empty backfield on 3rd and 2. They didn't even try to pretend there was a threat of a run. Nothing like telegraphing what your going to do!

        I am not an Eli defender, believe me, I have no problem assigning some of the blame to him for the offensive problems, but the plays called have a big impact on the ability of the players to execute the play.
        My goal had been to win a championship, work toward the Hall of Fame, have my jersey retired by the team and I`d go in as a lifelong New York Giant, but I`m now resigned to the fact that this won`t happen. -- Michael Strahan, just when you think you're down...

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        • Originally posted by brad View Post
          In the great debate of execution vs play-calling, we can only look at history... and history shows that the KG system is a feast or famine type of offense... more importantly it shows that it is more dependent on great offensive line play. While I agree that Eli is not Rodger, Peyton or Brady, he is better than he has played this year. Blame the system, or blame the player... or be logical and realize it is both. The problems with KG were most evident during the recent Dallas game where they had a very good running game, but did not use play action to help boost the passing game. They actually went with an empty backfield on 3rd and 2. They didn't even try to pretend there was a threat of a run. Nothing like telegraphing what your going to do!

          I am not an Eli defender, believe me, I have no problem assigning some of the blame to him for the offensive problems, but the plays called have a big impact on the ability of the players to execute the play.
          Well said.

          If your players are having a difficult time executing the current game plan, you need to adjust. The players didn't just suddenly forget how to play football.
          Mood: WOOF!

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          • Originally posted by brad View Post
            In the great debate of execution vs play-calling, we can only look at history... and history shows that the KG system is a feast or famine type of offense... more importantly it shows that it is more dependent on great offensive line play. While I agree that Eli is not Rodger, Peyton or Brady, he is better than he has played this year. Blame the system, or blame the player... or be logical and realize it is both. The problems with KG were most evident during the recent Dallas game where they had a very good running game, but did not use play action to help boost the passing game. They actually went with an empty backfield on 3rd and 2. They didn't even try to pretend there was a threat of a run. Nothing like telegraphing what your going to do!

            I am not an Eli defender, believe me, I have no problem assigning some of the blame to him for the offensive problems, but the plays called have a big impact on the ability of the players to execute the play.

            Great comments.

            Eli shares the blame and Reese should be criticized for some poor moves. But gilbride doesn't surprise anyone. The route options create some big plays but also some huge mistakes

            Belichick game planned gilbrides system very well and in both SB wins if came down to Eli making huge plays at the end.

            I would like to see a different coordinator before Eli retires
            "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

            "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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            • The league may have figured kubiak out

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              • Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                Great comments.

                Eli shares the blame and Reese should be criticized for some poor moves. But gilbride doesn't surprise anyone. The route options create some big plays but also some huge mistakes

                Belichick game planned gilbrides system very well and in both SB wins if came down to Eli making huge plays at the end.

                I would like to see a different coordinator before Eli retires
                I must say. I thoroughly enjoy responding to obvious Eli Homers. It amuses me like nothing else.

                Gilbride's system is very similar to the offences that are currently masterfully executed by real 'elite' QBs such as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

                Why is there offence better? cause their QB's are actually accurate and dont spray the ball in a massive radius.

                When the Giants won the superbowl in 2007, its because Eli stopped making his customary turnovers. He became a game manager who didnt turn the ball over. Our defence is the reason we won those superbowls - apart from some clutch throws all Eli did was play a part.

                I wonder what people would be saying if Asante Samuel had actually caught that ball that Eli threw at him? Or if that awesome helmet catch had never taken place (a horrible decision by Eli - regardless of the outcome).

                the reason for our offences inconsistency is NOT Gilbride. Its our inconsistent QB. One day even you homers will realize that.

                Our next OC will only cement this opinion.

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