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    Now im not suggesting this should be done or is even possible any time soon.

    Im just wondering if you had to switch the D to a 3-4 within the next 2-3 years how would you do it?

    What players now could be effective in it? Who would have to leave? What prospects or trades would you target?

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    Put Gilbride at OLB and Fewell at ILB TC Goes to the Nose! Go Giants!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bearbryant View Post
      Put Gilbride at OLB and Fewell at ILB TC Goes to the Nose! Go Giants!
      Well, that would be one way to replace the coaching staff, just get them killed.
      Do not feed the trolls.

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      • #4
        hankins could probably make it as a nose tackle, LJ might be even better as a 3-4 end, jenkins played DE in a 3-4 in GB, tuck could maybe make that transition since he's shown a lot working inside during his career.

        JPP probably would make it as a stand up OLB, beason and maybe paysinger inside, moore/kiwi on the other side??

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        • #5
          I can't help but think of LT, Carson, Reasons and Banks. One of the greatest LB corps of all time. It's not entirely fair to compare the guys we have now... but, they do come up woefully short. Regardless, we had a below average group before Beason came around, and only 3 playing at a time. To go to a 3-4 with this crew isn't a good idea. We have more depth on the DL, so we need to stay with a 4-3. Besides, I like heavier LB's inside in the 3-4, to fill the middle gaps. Beason @ 235, to me, fits more at OLB in the 3-4. Herzlich is the only heavier LB. Actually, Herzlich might do better in a 3-4. You'd have to keep Beason inside, too.

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          • #6
            The 3-4/4-3 are not much different now that teams are in sub defense 70% of the time. Find the best players and coodinator out there and let them figure out how to get after teams. Targeting a system or type of players narrows your scope and shortens your list of talent.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BlueBlooded1979 View Post
              The 3-4/4-3 are not much different now that teams are in sub defense 70% of the time. Find the best players and coodinator out there and let them figure out how to get after teams. Targeting a system or type of players narrows your scope and shortens your list of talent.
              So you think this would be viable with most of the personel now?

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              • #8
                LDE: Hankins
                DT: Joseph
                RDE: Jenkins

                LDE (strong): JPP
                ILB: ???
                ILB: ???
                RDE: Moore

                The problem with this defense is that the Giants don't have any clear, molded guys for a 3-4 ILB spot. No real Willis/Bowman/Lee types, except for Beason (who would need to put on a few pounds).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ntegrase96 View Post
                  LDE: Hankins
                  DT: Joseph
                  RDE: Jenkins

                  LDE (strong): JPP
                  ILB: ???
                  ILB: ???
                  RDE: Moore

                  The problem with this defense is that the Giants don't have any clear, molded guys for a 3-4 ILB spot. No real Willis/Bowman/Lee types, except for Beason (who would need to put on a few pounds).
                  Beason and willis are just about the same size. Im sure he would do fine in a 3-4

                  Willis- 6'1 240
                  Beason-6'0 237

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DSP View Post
                    Beason and willis are just about the same size. Im sure he would do fine in a 3-4

                    Willis- 6'1 240
                    Beason-6'0 237

                    Well yeah. I said, no real 3-4 ILB types except for Beason. Beason would still probably need to put on a few pounds, but overall he's a not much different in size than Bowman and Willis type guys with a similar skill set.

                    Williams is your other good pass defender, but far, far too small.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ntegrase96 View Post
                      Well yeah. I said, no real 3-4 ILB types except for Beason. Beason would still probably need to put on a few pounds, but overall he's a not much different in size than Bowman and Willis type guys with a similar skill set.

                      Williams is your other good pass defender, but far, far too small.
                      3 pounds or should he be bigger than willis?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DSP View Post
                        3 pounds or should he be bigger than willis?
                        Don't get me wrong. He's not far off from Bowman/Willis. He'd be about the same as Willis with 3 extra ounds, yeah.

                        But Willis has a much bigger edge in quickness. Beason is a slow dude and would probably need a bit more strength to take on and shed guards mauling upfield that slip past the 0 and 5s.

                        It's just a recomendation based on my opinion by watching him, though.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DSP View Post
                          Now im not suggesting this should be done or is even possible any time soon.

                          Im just wondering if you had to switch the D to a 3-4 within the next 2-3 years how would you do it?

                          What players now could be effective in it? Who would have to leave? What prospects or trades would you target?
                          3-4 is an anti run defense. not good for pass protection

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                          • #14
                            The 3-4 puts a premium on linebackers. We have one who is worth anything.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by giant-4-life View Post
                              3-4 is an anti run defense. not good for pass protection
                              I don't agree. With the right 4 LBs, where some are effective blitzers, you can put as much pressure on the QB (ala Lawrence Taylor), and you can have 1 or 2 who are effective covering a TE or back. With an anti-run defense they put more men in the box. I think a 4-3 is better against the run than the 3-4.

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