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  • Originally posted by GameTime View Post
    When Eli is evaluated for his next contract they will take into account his current and RECENT past performance the most. All things will be considered however.
    I agree totally.

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    • Originally posted by nygfanmaybe View Post
      When they negotiate or renegotiate their contracts, they base it on past performance. Rookies are judged by their college performance. They have no way of knowing the future. When Eli renegotiates, his whole body of work will once again be evaluated. What is so hard to understand about that?

      At your workplace, do they review you or preview you to determine whether you get a raise or not? You guys are just being obtuse...and that's alright, because I can play, too.
      Because you are saying it incorrectly.
      Mood: WOOF!

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      • people need to remember that evenTrent Dilfer won a Super Bowl behind a decent offensive line, thats why it sounds so silly when people say that Eli won a SB, Eli was on a team that won a SB is more accurate..

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        • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
          Because you are saying it incorrectly.
          Let's see if we can approach this from a different angle. Why do you think Eli got paid so much?

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          • Originally posted by JesseJames View Post
            people need to remember that evenTrent Dilfer won a Super Bowl behind a decent offensive line, thats why it sounds so silly when people say that Eli won a SB, Eli was on a team that won a SB is more accurate..
            So Dilfer was MVP?

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            • Originally posted by nygfanmaybe View Post
              That's the point...
              Actually, isn't that the opposite of your point?
              My goal had been to win a championship, work toward the Hall of Fame, have my jersey retired by the team and I`d go in as a lifelong New York Giant, but I`m now resigned to the fact that this won`t happen. -- Michael Strahan, just when you think you're down...

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              • Originally posted by brad View Post
                Actually, isn't that the opposite of your point?
                My point is that JR had to pay Eli a lot of money because he brought them a ring and was MVP to boot. That affected his salary, and they couldn't pay to keep some of the other guys and the whole team was affected.

                JR sees SF and Seattle winning with lesser salaried QB's and possibly picked up Nassib with that in mind for the future. That was the point I was trying to make in my edit.

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                • Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                  I faith that Eli will bounce back.
                  if he doesn't then his career is done....
                  pretty simple
                  This is pretty much it....if the o-line is fixed and there is no more Gilbride to blame and he plays like he did last year, there are no more excuses. He got a free pass this year.

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                  • Originally posted by nygfanmaybe View Post
                    My point is that JR had to pay Eli a lot of money because he brought them a ring and was MVP to boot. That affected his salary, and they couldn't pay to keep some of the other guys and the whole team was affected.

                    JR sees SF and Seattle winning with lesser salaried QB's and possibly picked up Nassib with that in mind for the future. That was the point I was trying to make in my edit.
                    So, it seems we have come full circle. Originally I said that Eli isn't paid SOLELY based on past SB victories, but also based on what they believe he can do in the future. You took exception to the "what he can do in the future" part... but I see now that we are in agreement, the team does, and must, look at what he can do now and in upcoming seasons and make decisions based on those assessments.
                    My goal had been to win a championship, work toward the Hall of Fame, have my jersey retired by the team and I`d go in as a lifelong New York Giant, but I`m now resigned to the fact that this won`t happen. -- Michael Strahan, just when you think you're down...

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                    • Originally posted by nygfanmaybe View Post
                      My point is that JR had to pay Eli a lot of money because he brought them a ring and was MVP to boot. That affected his salary, and they couldn't pay to keep some of the other guys and the whole team was affected.

                      JR sees SF and Seattle winning with lesser salaried QB's and possibly picked up Nassib with that in mind for the future. That was the point I was trying to make in my edit.
                      But that wasn't your original point..
                      Mood: WOOF!

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                      • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                        This doesn't make any sense.
                        What doesn't make sense about it?? His response was that Eli has been faltering for years and never has to look over his shoulder. This year he was terrible but its one bad year. Hes won us 2 rings in the last 6 years how many qb's in that timeframe can say that? None. If he's half as bad next year then ill get on him also, but lets see what he does first. It's funny how peoples short-term memory is around here. Hes a 2 time super bowl MVP for our team lets give this guy the benefit of the doubt.

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                        • Originally posted by brad View Post
                          So, it seems we have come full circle. Originally I said that Eli isn't paid SOLELY based on past SB victories, but also based on what they believe he can do in the future. You took exception to the "what he can do in the future" part... but I see now that we are in agreement, the team does, and must, look at what he can do now and in upcoming seasons and make decisions based on those assessments.
                          When did I say that they don't consider their future. The problem is that they can't say....let's say for an example...Eli just won a SB, and according to you they could have said, "Well, we don't think you are going to be able to duplicate that, so we are going to lessen your salary." It has never happened.

                          I suggested that they do look at the future and make a plan, they just don't use the future to negotiate a guys contract.

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                          • Originally posted by ThatNiCcA56 View Post
                            What doesn't make sense about it?? His response was that Eli has been faltering for years and never has to look over his shoulder. This year he was terrible but its one bad year. Hes won us 2 rings in the last 6 years how many qb's in that timeframe can say that? None. If he's half as bad next year then ill get on him also, but lets see what he does first. It's funny how peoples short-term memory is around here. Hes a 2 time super bowl MVP for our team lets give this guy the benefit of the doubt.
                            I'm not suggesting Eli sucks and will never recover. Quite the opposite. Everyone who has said Eli is regressing should be laughed upon.
                            What I am not understanding is you should pay a QB for past performance AND future performance.
                            Mood: WOOF!

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                            • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                              But that wasn't your original point..
                              I never had an original point, I just questioned a couple of guys comments and called BS.

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                              • Originally posted by JesseJames View Post
                                people need to remember that evenTrent Dilfer won a Super Bowl behind a decent offensive line, thats why it sounds so silly when people say that Eli won a SB, Eli was on a team that won a SB is more accurate..
                                Do us a favor and don't compare Eli to Dilfer. That should be a smack to all giant fans. First off Eli has helped us win 2 super bowls and has had 2 game winning drives. Dilfer was a qb on a team that had arguably the greatest D in history. Bad comparison!

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