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  • #46
    Originally posted by Shockeystays08 View Post
    What it tells me is your line of thinking has pot holes. You stated Jernigan didn't make an impact on special teams as Cobb did right off the bat and therefore the offensive brain trust for the Giants wouldn't see a need to get Jerny on the field as the Packers did with Cobb. My point was Jernigan showed enough to be our kick off returner in the Super Bowl. It was not like he hadn't done anything to enforce the obvious reasons the Giants drafted him in the 3rd round. The fact that it was 2011 is really immaterial. If fact if anything it supports that the Giants saw early the exciting skill set he displayed in college. The main point - you don't handicap an offensive weapon because he's not rocking it on special teams. Over and out.
    Isn't it amazing how the general tone on this board has changed?
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    • #47
      Originally posted by fansince69 View Post
      Isn't it amazing how the general tone on this board has changed?
      Yep, I was thinking the same thing reading this thread earlier today. Not long ago the JJ hater line was wrapped around the block. Now it's not even out the door.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Shockeystays08 View Post
        Yep, I was thinking the same thing reading this thread earlier today. Not long ago the JJ hater line was wrapped around the block. Now it's not even out the door.
        I said 2 yrs ago they need to find creative ways to fit him in the offense....what do you know?
        "When I was 15, I could not believe how dumb my father was.....when I was 25, I could not believe how much he had learned in 10 years"

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        • #49
          Originally posted by fansince69 View Post
          I said 2 yrs ago they need to find creative ways to fit him in the offense....what do you know?
          He's the fastest guy on the team and had experience in college at the rb and wr position. He should have had 1 or 2 plays from the get go in damn near every game, be it a reverse, end around, WR screen. Nothing hard just get him the ball in space and let him do what he's used to doing. I see teams do this all the time with their most athletic offensive threat even when they are rookies.
          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
            to be fair though, it was KG who started utilizing him those final couple weeks. problem was, it took cruz being out.
            Word. I know the rise of Cruz kept JJ off the field, but KG and TC's stubborn mentality of not wanting to change the offense is what kept him off the field and thus wasted the draft pick because he wasn't given a chance to develop. They didn't want two slot-type receivers on the field at once, so the following year they grabbed Randle in R2 to replace Manningham, an outside guy, for the sake of keeping things the same. They could have invested that pick or the financial resources associated with it on an OL to help Eli and change the offense a little. A higher % offense with more quick passes to shifty guys like Cruz and JJ. Barden, because of his size, would have been a good enough change-of-pace guy to throw in there every now and then. Dink and dunk first, take shots down field later.


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            • #51
              Originally posted by Shockeystays08 View Post
              What it tells me is your line of thinking has pot holes. You stated Jernigan didn't make an impact on special teams as Cobb did right off the bat and therefore the offensive brain trust for the Giants wouldn't see a need to get Jerny on the field as the Packers did with Cobb. My point was Jernigan showed enough to be our kick off returner in the Super Bowl. It was not like he hadn't done anything to enforce the obvious reasons the Giants drafted him in the 3rd round. The fact that it was 2011 is really immaterial. If fact if anything it supports that the Giants saw early the exciting skill set he displayed in college. The main point - you don't handicap an offensive weapon because he's not rocking it on special teams. Over and out.
              You're right, you don't handicap an "offensive weapon" because he's not rocking it on special teams. You hesitate to put him on the field when he fails to be an offensive weapon--as he did for nearly 3 seasons--AND is not rocking it on special teams. When drafted, Reese and/or Coughlin stated that while it may take some time for Jernigan to settle in to become an impact receiver, that they at least expected him to be an immediate impact returner. They expected this because it takes little time to be an effective returner if one is very good, but it can take even very good WRs a while to get all the routes right, to get separation on a timely basis, etc.

              Well, despite Jernigan's SB return(s) at end of his rookie year, he never had any kind of return game--unlike, say, Wilson, who DID succeed almost immediately in the return game throughout his rookie year.

              All this fantasy about Coughlin and Gilbride deliberately, or incompetently, sabotaging Giants offense specifically by withholding Jernigan from the field FOR NO REASON--because after all that is what you and your cohorts are saying with your thinking on this subject-- is plain nuts.

              And of course there is the other part of this equation that no one seems to consider. That it may well have taken this long for Eli to trust Jernigan enough to throw the ball his way in various situations. Every QB has one or two receivers he trusts in ALL situations more than he does other receivers. It's easy to sit at your computer and say in hindsight "see, I told you......!" after the fact, but nobody knows what is REALLY going on between QB-coach-receiver in practice or in an actual game. That's a ten-four to you, buddy.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                I was a big fan of the Jernigan pick and I thought his all purpose skills would bring a new wrinkle to the offense.The thing is we never got to see the new wrinkle he just stayed on the bench behind Cruz. They never tried to incorporate the things that made him successful in college which is mind blowing considering thats why they drafted him. I think this is the type of offense Reese has wanted all along and now he has finally got the opportunity to fit players to his vision
                I think that observation of Reese is a good 1 when you look at his offensive picks, they scream "west coast offense"
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
                  You're right, you don't handicap an "offensive weapon" because he's not rocking it on special teams. You hesitate to put him on the field when he fails to be an offensive weapon--as he did for nearly 3 seasons--AND is not rocking it on special teams. When drafted, Reese and/or Coughlin stated that while it may take some time for Jernigan to settle in to become an impact receiver, that they at least expected him to be an immediate impact returner. They expected this because it takes little time to be an effective returner if one is very good, but it can take even very good WRs a while to get all the routes right, to get separation on a timely basis, etc.

                  Well, despite Jernigan's SB return(s) at end of his rookie year, he never had any kind of return game--unlike, say, Wilson, who DID succeed almost immediately in the return game throughout his rookie year.

                  All this fantasy about Coughlin and Gilbride deliberately, or incompetently, sabotaging Giants offense specifically by withholding Jernigan from the field FOR NO REASON--because after all that is what you and your cohorts are saying with your thinking on this subject-- is plain nuts.

                  And of course there is the other part of this equation that no one seems to consider. That it may well have taken this long for Eli to trust Jernigan enough to throw the ball his way in various situations. Every QB has one or two receivers he trusts in ALL situations more than he does other receivers. It's easy to sit at your computer and say in hindsight "see, I told you......!" after the fact, but nobody knows what is REALLY going on between QB-coach-receiver in practice or in an actual game. That's a ten-four to you, buddy.
                  You've been stretching the parameters for Jernigan since after his rookie year [which was still asinine then]. Quite frankly, it's not even entertaining anymore, but rather nauseating.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by penguinfarmer View Post
                    You've been stretching the parameters for Jernigan since after his rookie year [which was still asinine then]. Quite frankly, it's not even entertaining anymore, but rather nauseating.
                    some people are just close minded haters and even when proven wrong will refuse to admit it
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                      I was a big fan of the Jernigan pick and I thought his all purpose skills would bring a new wrinkle to the offense.The thing is we never got to see the new wrinkle he just stayed on the bench behind Cruz. They never tried to incorporate the things that made him successful in college which is mind blowing considering thats why they drafted him. I think this is the type of offense Reese has wanted all along and now he has finally got the opportunity to fit players to his vision
                      I agree !!!!! Good points !!!!!!
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                      • #56
                        Jerrigan has been on the field quite a bit the last 2 years

                        He did not emerge as a force until he was featured. Really based upon his oerformance ot that point he showed little to nothing

                        This one i cannot blame on gilbride and coughlin.......sometimes a player just matures

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
                          You're right, you don't handicap an "offensive weapon" because he's not rocking it on special teams. You hesitate to put him on the field when he fails to be an offensive weapon--as he did for nearly 3 seasons--AND is not rocking it on special teams. When drafted, Reese and/or Coughlin stated that while it may take some time for Jernigan to settle in to become an impact receiver, that they at least expected him to be an immediate impact returner. They expected this because it takes little time to be an effective returner if one is very good, but it can take even very good WRs a while to get all the routes right, to get separation on a timely basis, etc.

                          Well, despite Jernigan's SB return(s) at end of his rookie year, he never had any kind of return game--unlike, say, Wilson, who DID succeed almost immediately in the return game throughout his rookie year.

                          All this fantasy about Coughlin and Gilbride deliberately, or incompetently, sabotaging Giants offense specifically by withholding Jernigan from the field FOR NO REASON--because after all that is what you and your cohorts are saying with your thinking on this subject-- is plain nuts.

                          And of course there is the other part of this equation that no one seems to consider. That it may well have taken this long for Eli to trust Jernigan enough to throw the ball his way in various situations. Every QB has one or two receivers he trusts in ALL situations more than he does other receivers. It's easy to sit at your computer and say in hindsight "see, I told you......!" after the fact, but nobody knows what is REALLY going on between QB-coach-receiver in practice or in an actual game. That's a ten-four to you, buddy.
                          Or maybe TC just missed the boat on JJ- no conspiracy.

                          Look with special speed like he has he should have been on the field. Ted Gin is very mediocre as a receiver, but the one thing he has is blazing speed. San Fran would still give him plays like end arounds or reverses once or twice a game, even when he clearly was not their best receiving option.

                          I think his lack of production on special teams effected how they saw him as a receiver, and the few snaps he did get at receiver he didn't do anything with.

                          JJ is still unproven. He had 2 good games. He has a an entire offseason to smooth out all the rough edges in his game. He should be especially excited, as he doesn't know how large his role can be in a new offense.

                          We will find out next year if he is for real.
                          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                            Ted Gin is very mediocre as a receiver, but the one thing he has is blazing speed. San Fran would still give him plays like end arounds or reverses once or twice a game, even when he clearly was not their best receiving option.
                            As evidenced by his 11 rushing attempts in 3 years as a 49er.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                              As evidenced by his 11 rushing attempts in 3 years as a 49er.
                              I do not believe his point was production....his point was you give him a chance to see what he can do....JJ was never given that chance till the end of this season...NO NOT special teams...on offence
                              "When I was 15, I could not believe how dumb my father was.....when I was 25, I could not believe how much he had learned in 10 years"

                              1st to use the phrase "In Reese we trust"

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by fansince69 View Post
                                I do not believe his point was production....his point was you give him a chance to see what he can do....JJ was never given that chance till the end of this season...NO NOT special teams...on offence
                                The 11 carries aren't the production, they signify the chances that Ginn got to run those end-arounds and reverses.

                                Instead of "1-2 a game," which would equate to 60+ attempts, he only received a fraction of that with 11 attempts. Perhaps Ginn wasn't the best example.

                                As for Jernigan, I do agree that TC and co. might have just missed the boat entirely with him whilst trying to mold him into something he's not best suited for.
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