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  • Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
    Fumbling the ball is bad, no matter what.

    The problem is, Wilson gets an unhealthy amount of focus on his fumbling, when Andre Brown fumbled just as much as Wilson in 2013...
    Wilson: 5 starts: 2 fumbles
    Brown: 8 starts: 3 fumbles (and one against Dallas that was called back by an unrelated defensive holding call).
    Fumbling IS bad....but when you have a bunch of RB's who are preoccupied with "not fumbling" you have ineffective runners. (who will still probably fumble anyway).
    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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    • Man I just posted, about 5 days ago, a request about Wilson's status. I mentioned I just had cervical vertebrate surgery and I was concerned about the guy. I know with the number of top specialists he has seen and will be required to follow him he must have clearances but we all know how brutal football hits are even with the new equipment and rules. I'm just imagining a 300+ DL trying to crush him or worse an unintentional grab of his face mask!.

      I think he can be an impact player and love to GameRewind the 2012 Saints game. It's like taking a football anti depressant. In any case it must be my own cervical surgery rehab but I have to pray for the guy every time he touches the ball. I'll will also say a less serious prayer that he doesn't fumble.

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      • Because I am not emotionally attached to DW either way, it is fascinating to me to see how the mere mention of his name sets off an immediate and emotional reaction. I think I've seen more of him than most on video from college, at training camps and of course in the games. Yes, I don't like the fumbles and he really has yet to learn how to protect Eli but for me, he just hasn't had enough reps as a pro to have a strong opinion.

        I am still waiting on him. That patience probably ends this year.
        No one remembers who came in second.

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        • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
          It's funny how people are trying to justify his fumbles. He's a fumbler. TC has worked with him for two years and he still carries the ball too far away from his body. Just watch all his carries, you will see it. Whether the other team recovers the fumble is meaningless when discussing Wilson's ability to carry the ball properly.

          And while you are at it, watch his pass blocking. It's just as bad.
          AB was a fumbler and a poor blocker when he started with us. How did that work out for us when we had to play him due to injury, and we kept feeding him the rock throughout his career despite his initial problems?
          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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          • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
            AB was a fumbler and a poor blocker when he started with us. How did that work out for us when we had to play him due to injury, and we kept feeding him the rock throughout his career despite his initial problems?
            Fumbling is not the issue with DW. That's a distraction. Its TC's obsession of course but that's a different matter.
            The question is whether or not he can be an effective weapon in our offense. Can he carry the ball 15 to 20 times per game. Can he offer sufficient protection and be a reliable outlet in the passing game.

            THOSE are the questions in my view. Not the friggin fumbling. You know who else fumbles a lot?......Adrian Peterson.

            TC probably would have benched him as well.
            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
              Fumbling is not the issue with DW. That's a distraction. Its TC's obsession of course but that's a different matter.
              The question is whether or not he can be an effective weapon in our offense. Can he carry the ball 15 to 20 times per game. Can he offer sufficient protection and be a reliable outlet in the passing game.

              THOSE are the questions in my view. Not the friggin fumbling. You know who else fumbles a lot?......Adrian Peterson.

              TC probably would have benched him as well.
              It is true that the fumbles are just static in the conversation regarding DW.
              No one remembers who came in second.

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              • Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
                It's the lost ones that count.

                And you're right, it's not congruous. It's analogous. In pass plays, one is a down spent with no forward progress, the other is a turnover to the opponent. In run plays, one (fumble that is recovered by the offense) is a stop of forward progress, the other (lost fumble) is a turnover to the opponent. Pretty simple, really.
                They both count. If a player fumbles then the play will be marked off wherever the ball is recovered even when the RB's team recovers the ball. What could have been a gain of 10,15, 20 yards usually turns into a mad scramble for possession of the ball and whatever positive yardage was to be made on the play is gone with the wind. This is just one of many outcomes, but the bottom line is plays are designed with fumbles in mind. All fumbles are bad and they all count. Even if they recover all the fumbles, if it keeps happening the coach will bench that RB.
                Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                  Fumbling is not the issue with DW. That's a distraction. Its TC's obsession of course but that's a different matter.
                  The question is whether or not he can be an effective weapon in our offense. Can he carry the ball 15 to 20 times per game. Can he offer sufficient protection and be a reliable outlet in the passing game.

                  THOSE are the questions in my view. Not the friggin fumbling. You know who else fumbles a lot?......Adrian Peterson.

                  TC probably would have benched him as well.
                  If the holes are there he will make the yards. I promise you. If he get's the ball in space he will make play- this is where his tape in college translates to the NFL. He has that rare speed that is still a decided competitive advantage even at the NFL level.

                  People have their minds made up though. I remember after the KC game posters were remarking how badly David Wilson sucked, but all I saw where play after play of Chiefs in the backfield for the handoff.

                  Hillis, and Brown ran into the same struggles. BJ would have too had he stayed healthy.

                  Nothing is emotional about what I'm saying. TC basically said its way too early to give up on the kid as well. So, forgive me if I don't much weight into the opinions of YA and others.
                  Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                  http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                  • Originally posted by Die-Hard View Post
                    Perhaps he credits TC for putting it in his(Tiki's) head that if he continues to fumble, he wont see the field.

                    Football actually has a huge mental element to it that most people dont realize, unless they've played the game at some level.
                    Did he ever actually bench Tiki for any extended period of time?
                    Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                    • Originally posted by jomo View Post
                      Because I am not emotionally attached to DW either way, it is fascinating to me to see how the mere mention of his name sets off an immediate and emotional reaction. I think I've seen more of him than most on video from college, at training camps and of course in the games. Yes, I don't like the fumbles and he really has yet to learn how to protect Eli but for me, he just hasn't had enough reps as a pro to have a strong opinion.

                      I am still waiting on him. That patience probably ends this year.
                      Totally agree. TC benched a high draft choice highly prized,( according to Reese ), rookie after his first ever NFL game. Yeah it stopped a great drive but if you did that across the league for rookies their rookie season would be their sophomore year. Gilbride was Wilson's worst critic. It was their job to teach the kid to limit fumbles and pass block better. It's real hard to practice in live regular season games from the sidelines. I think his first NFL TD came on a 50yard from scrimmage burst and I also saw some power running pick ups. Yeah let's take a close look this year after enough reps.

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                      • David Wilson has bust written all over him, he lacks the vision and way too often gets hit for a loss. I feel he is only going to be a situational back and that isn't what you want from a high draft pick.

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                        • Originally posted by bebil10 View Post
                          David Wilson has bust written all over him, he lacks the vision and way too often gets hit for a loss. I feel he is only going to be a situational back and that isn't what you want from a high draft pick.
                          Who's fault is it when you get hit in the backfield most times?
                          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                          • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                            If the holes are there he will make the yards. I promise you. If he get's the ball in space he will make play- this is where his tape in college translates to the NFL. He has that rare speed that is still a decided competitive advantage even at the NFL level.

                            People have their minds made up though. I remember after the KC game posters were remarking how badly David Wilson sucked, but all I saw where play after play of Chiefs in the backfield for the handoff.

                            Hillis, and Brown ran into the same struggles. BJ would have too had he stayed healthy.

                            Nothing is emotional about what I'm saying. TC basically said its way too early to give up on the kid as well. So, forgive me if I don't much weight into the opinions of YA and others.
                            He's fast.....but he's not elusive. I have yet to see the wiggle that top RB's need.
                            So yes, when a huge hole is there he will use his speed to get to the second level. But you also have to make guys miss. I just haven't seen it yet.
                            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                              He's fast.....but he's not elusive. I have yet to see the wiggle that top RB's need.
                              So yes, when a huge hole is there he will use his speed to get to the second level. But you also have to make guys miss. I just haven't seen it yet.
                              I don't think he has great shake. I think he has enough that combined with his speed he will make some plays for us.
                              Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                              http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                              • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                                I don't think he has great shake. I think he has enough that combined with his speed he will make some plays for us.
                                And ultimately that seems to be what he is......a complimentary back who can make some plays.
                                I think if folks stay healthy we will see Jennings as our workhorse back with Wilson as a change of pace back. That is of course if he learns to pass protect.
                                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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