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    Sitting here watching the BCS Championship and these 2 defenses is pretty amazing. Especially with some of the crazy bowl games this year with all the high scoring games. In the end, the 2 best defenses are playing the for championship. Well at least without actually having a playoff to officially decide things, like the big boys do. And even some of the littler boys.




    Will that happen in the NFL this year, or is this the year we see a 45-41 Super Bowl score? When we beat NE in the SB, at that time a lot of people thought that was the best offense ever.Statisically you could make the arguement.The Giants showed that a dominant defenseand pash rush could stop that.. Now, I think both GB and NO are better offensively than that team, maybe quite a bit better. Hell, the Giants offense, when it's clicking, is comparable. There has never been a year like this in the NFL offensively,that's obvious.




    So in the end, will it be the best defensive teams in the final four? If you believe that, then the Giants should be heading to SF in a couple weeks. And Denver will be playing Baltimore/ Although Houston's defense may be as good as the Ravens. Or is this the year where offenses are just so good, that teams like GB and NO have too many weapons and options,.That they havetwo great QB's who will be able to score more points than anyone else. I'd like to think we have a QB who can do the same.




    The next couple weeks are going to be interesting. I'd like to believe that before this season is over, the teams with the best defenses are going to be there in the end. Defense wins championships, right? I guess we'll see.

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    Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

    [quote user="OrangeGiant"]


    Sitting here watching the BCS Championship and these 2 defenses is pretty amazing. Especially with some of the crazy bowl games this year with all the high scoring games. In the end, the 2 best defenses are playing the for championship. Well at least without actually having a playoff to officially decide things, like the big boys do. And even some of the littler boys.




    Will that happen in the NFL this year, or is this the year we see a 45-41 Super Bowl score? When we beat NE in the SB, at that time a lot of people thought that was the best offense ever.Statisically you could make the arguement.The Giants showed that a dominant defenseand pash rush could stop that.. Now, I think both GB and NO are better offensively than that team, maybe quite a bit better. Hell, the Giants offense, when it's clicking, is comparable. There has never been a year like this in the NFL offensively,that's obvious.




    So in the end, will it be the best defensive teams in the final four? If you believe that, then the Giants should be heading to SF in a couple weeks. And Denver will be playing Baltimore/ Although Houston's defense may be as good as the Ravens. Or is this the year where offenses are just so good, that teams like GB and NO have too many weapons and options,.That they havetwo great QB's who will be able to score more points than anyone else. I'd like to think we have a QB who can do the same.




    The next couple weeks are going to be interesting. I'd like to believe that before this season is over, the teams with the best defenses are going to be there in the end. Defense wins championships, right? I guess we'll see.




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    guess we will find out.....

    "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
    You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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    • #3
      Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

      Have to admit, it would be cool to see a Giants-49ers rematch in the NFC Championship. The last time that happened, Pat Summerall was saying-"There will be no 3-peat.
      #80

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      • #4
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        [quote user="OrangeGiant"]Have to admit, it would be cool to see a Giants-49ers rematch in the NFC Championship. The last time that happened, Pat Summerall was saying-"There will be no 3-peat.[/quote]
        oh yeah! What a game. Gonna put on the DVD right now.

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          [quote user="fourth&forever"][quote user="OrangeGiant"]Have to admit, it would be cool to see a Giants-49ers rematch in the NFC Championship. The last time that happened, Pat Summerall was saying-"There will be no 3-peat.[/quote] oh yeah! What a game. Gonna put on the DVD right now.[/quote]




          Crazy as it might sound, that is my favorite Giants memory, even though it wasn't a SB win. Summerall getting that jab in and stopping that team from a 3-peat was awesome.

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          • #6
            Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

            I am thoroughly enjoying watching some actual defense in a football game. Why can't the NFL let people play like this. There isn't a flag on every hit near the sidelines, and the DB's are allowed to touch the receiver.



            If anyone whines that this is a boring game because "there arent n e pointz!11", get out.

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            • #7
              Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

              [quote user="OrangeGiant"]

              [quote user="fourth&forever"][quote user="OrangeGiant"]Have to admit, it would be cool to see a Giants-49ers rematch in the NFC Championship. The last time that happened, Pat Summerall was saying-"There will be no 3-peat.[/quote] oh yeah! What a game. Gonna put on the DVD right now.[/quote]




              Crazy as it might sound, that is my favorite Giants memory, even though it wasn't a SB win. Summerall getting that jab in and stopping that team from a 3-peat was awesome.

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              Greatest Summerall line after Montana is knocked out by Marshall. The word on Montana from the sideline is "everything hurts"

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              • #8
                Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

                This was a weird year, but, it's not like Green Bay had a horrible defense last year. They were pretty decent. And the Jets D did beat the Pats O last year...


                This year has just been... very strange.

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                • #9
                  Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

                  This is a tremendous question and nobody's answering it. I was going to ask the same exact thing. I would like to think defense still wins games. I just traded jabs with my college room mate who lives in Green Bay and is a cheesehead. He said we have no chance, we already got beat by them once, and Rodgers isn't Favre, we have no answers for his passing game. I would like to think three or four body slams to the ground shakes him enough to throw his game off. I enjoy nothing more than smash mouth defensive Giants football, you can keep your ariel attacks and so forth, I want to see that D shut down Rodgers.
                  Just when I don't think it can get any worse, I think of you Ray. I have been to the abyss....thank you for helping me stay positive.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

                    In today's NFL? nope, NFL has rigged to rules for offenses, for ratings and money....

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                    • #11
                      Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

                      Excellent question. We will see. They only teams left in the playoffs that have good defenses are:

                      Houston - 2nd in league
                      Baltimore - 3rd in league
                      49ers - 4th in the league

                      the remaining teams including our G-men are in the bottom 3rd

                      Saints - 24th
                      Giants -27th
                      Patriots - 31st
                      Packers - 32nd

                      Now we know our ranking is off by alot because we just got alot of guys healthy. So we belong somewhere much closer to the top teams, I mean our D just pitched a shut out, no one else has done that, but Baltimore or the 49ers have played yet.

                      The other question is, if GB wins the super bowl the way everyone has picked them to, will it be the first time that a team ranked last in defense won a super bowl? I'd guess yes.

                      However, I don't think Green Bay is winning a super bowl and I think we're going to have something to say about that. If we played them to the wire with a hurting defense, without Osi, and diminished Tuck, I think things will be quite a bit different this time. We are doing everything better, running, passing and defending. Osi is gonna play alot of downs cuz GB doesn't run much or well. We will have the answer to the OP's question soon enough.


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                      • #12
                        Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

                        [quote user="BigBlueOnes"]This is a tremendous question and nobody's answering it. I was going to ask the same exact thing. I would like to think defense still wins games. I just traded jabs with my college room mate who lives in Green Bay and is a cheesehead. He said we have no chance, we already got beat by them once, and Rodgers isn't Favre, we have no answers for his passing game. I would like to think three or four body slams to the ground shakes him enough to throw his game off. I enjoy nothing more than smash mouth defensive Giants football, you can keep your ariel attacks and so forth, I want to see that D shut down Rodgers.[/quote]

                        Well here's a question- Is there any defense that reliably shuts down teams like GB, NO, NE, etc? No, there isn't, those teams are capable of putting 40-50 points on anyone if they are clicking. The new rules protect the middle of the field for receivers, there's too much room to work for a great QB with protection. You can't defend everyone.

                        I mean the days of the '85 bears and the '00 ravens giving up single digits in the SB? Will never happen now, unless a really bad team slips in.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

                          [quote user="OrangeGiant"]

                          Sitting here watching the BCS Championship and these 2 defenses is pretty amazing. Especially with some of the crazy bowl games this year with all the high scoring games. In the end, the 2 best defenses are playing the for championship. Well at least without actually having a playoff to officially decide things, like the big boys do. And even some of the littler boys.




                          Will that happen in the NFL this year, or is this the year we see a 45-41 Super Bowl score? When we beat NE in the SB, at that time a lot of people thought that was the best offense ever.Statisically you could make the arguement.The Giants showed that a dominant defenseand pash rush could stop that.. Now, I think both GB and NO are better offensively than that team, maybe quite a bit better. Hell, the Giants offense, when it's clicking, is comparable. There has never been a year like this in the NFL offensively,that's obvious.




                          So in the end, will it be the best defensive teams in the final four? If you believe that, then the Giants should be heading to SF in a couple weeks. And Denver will be playing Baltimore/ Although Houston's defense may be as good as the Ravens. Or is this the year where offenses are just so good, that teams like GB and NO have too many weapons and options,.That they havetwo great QB's who will be able to score more points than anyone else. I'd like to think we have a QB who can do the same.




                          The next couple weeks are going to be interesting. I'd like to believe that before this season is over, the teams with the best defenses are going to be there in the end. Defense wins championships, right? I guess we'll see.

                          [/quote]

                          I believe we will see an AWESOME combination of opposing philosophies. These playoffs will be very exciting this year, and I hope we have something to say about it.

                          Go Blue.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

                            [quote user="Killa4luv"]Excellent question. We will see. They only teams left in the playoffs that have good defenses are:

                            Houston - 2nd in league
                            Baltimore - 3rd in league
                            49ers - 4th in the league

                            the remaining teams including our G-men are in the bottom 3rd

                            Saints - 24th
                            Giants -27th
                            Patriots - 31st
                            Packers - 32nd

                            Now we know our ranking is off by alot because we just got alot of guys healthy. So we belong somewhere much closer to the top teams, I mean our D just pitched a shut out, no one else has done that, but Baltimore or the 49ers have played yet.

                            The other question is, if GB wins the super bowl the way everyone has picked them to, will it be the first time that a team ranked last in defense won a super bowl? I'd guess yes.

                            However, I don't think Green Bay is winning a super bowl and I think we're going to have something to say about that. If we played them to the wire with a hurting defense, without Osi, and diminished Tuck, I think things will be quite a bit different this time. We are doing everything better, running, passing and defending. Osi is gonna play alot of downs cuz GB doesn't run much or well. We will have the answer to the OP's question soon enough.


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                            I think all four of those "bottom" defenses have competitive defenses.

                            We fail to remember that stats are numbers. Sure, GB and NE might give up a **** ton of yards on defense, but their offense scores every three minutes. Hard to not give up yards when you're on the field all that time.

                            Stats are misleading! Teams that are in the playoffs deserve to be there for being TEAMS, and not just quarterbacks.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Does defense still win championships in the NFL?

                              The "number 1 defense" in the league just got torched by Tim Tebow and the Denver Broncos.

                              The problem isn't that defense no longer matters, it's how we rank the defenses. It makes absolutely no sense to rank defenses by total yards anymore. When offenses are putting up as many yards and as many points as they do the only thing important on defense is keeping them out of the endzone, and getting turnovers. Points allowed and turnovers and passer rating differential are truly the only defensive stats that matter anymore. It's not the NFL it used to be.

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