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  • #61
    If we generate a Pass Rush - Yes we will have a good defense.

    If not, well, we will see, won't we?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
      I don't know about taking the Division. We have been a 7-9 to 9-7 team with no playoffs at least 4/5 seasons. Thus the make over. The O line, QB and offense as a whole was atrocious last season. The verdict is still out as to weather all the FA signings will pan out.. RB position was blown up as Wilson and brown didnt work out, Scott was cut and cox isn't ready for primetime. We also don't even know if Wilson makes it back from that neck injury. They only signed Jennings.

      WRs you have two un provens in JJ and RR. And we all know how Cruz plays without Nicks. The D had a major face lift and you don't know how all these new guys plus rookies will mesh. Look at the Dream Team Eagles years back. A laughing stock is being nice when you describe them.

      The eagles and Redskins offenses at this point have to be considered the best in the NFCE. It'll be tough defending them. Dallas still has the beat WR in div in Dez and when you pair him with Whitten and romo you can't ever count your offense out. So as of today the giants would be predicted for Third maybe even fourth in the Div IMO
      I actually think the Dallas' offense is better than Philly's without DJax there. All categories are pretty close across the board except WR. We aren't world beaters at the position, but there's a pretty big gap in talent between the Cowboys WR core and Eagles WR core without Jackson.

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      • #63
        I honestly believe they have a chance at being the top defense in the league let alone the division.

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        • #64
          Can we file this OP's statement with all the "Eli Sucks," and Jerold Jernigan next great Giants receiver," "ST's will wind up the best ever?" folder please?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by dayeh33 View Post
            Feels nice to say that lol.
            Getting waaaaayyyy ahead of ourselves. Remember last year when we all thought that at least our O was going to be great?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
              What statistics are you using?

              Redskins and Cowboys allowed 95 and 49 MORE points, respectively, than the Giants. Eagles allowed one less point--one--than the Giants, making that a statistical tie in points per game allowed.

              Cowboys allowed the most yards per game in the NFL (415.3 yds), Eagles allowed the 4th most yards per game in the league (394 yds), Redskins allowed the 15th most yds per game (354.1 yds per), while the Giants allowed the 25th most yds per game (ie, 8th BEST in the league in fewest yds, with 332.2 yds allowed per game).

              In another crucial measurement of defensive success or failure--3rd down conversions--Cowboys were 4th worst in conversions allowed (43%), the Giants, Eagles--and Steelers--were tied for 9th worst in conversions allowed (40%), while the Redskins were admittedly far better in this statistic allowing 34% conversion rate, surpassed only by Bengals and Lions in this category.

              The Giants 17 interceptions by defense were exceeded only by the Eagles' 19, while Cowboys and Redskins had 15 and 16 INTs, respectively.

              Cowboys had 13 fumble recoveries, while Giants and Eagles had 12. Redskins recovered only 9.

              Even in sacks, which the Giants admittedly were fairly pathetic in getting last year, giants were tied with Cowboys at 34 sacks, while Redskins had 36 and Eagles had 37--hardly a ringing superiority in defensive prowess by Washington and Philadelphia.

              I'm beginning to wonder if "statistically worst" means what YOU think it means.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
                What statistics are you using?

                Redskins and Cowboys allowed 95 and 49 MORE points, respectively, than the Giants. Eagles allowed one less point--one--than the Giants, making that a statistical tie in points per game allowed.

                Cowboys allowed the most yards per game in the NFL (415.3 yds), Eagles allowed the 4th most yards per game in the league (394 yds), Redskins allowed the 15th most yds per game (354.1 yds per), while the Giants allowed the 25th most yds per game (ie, 8th BEST in the league in fewest yds, with 332.2 yds allowed per game).

                In another crucial measurement of defensive success or failure--3rd down conversions--Cowboys were 4th worst in conversions allowed (43%), the Giants, Eagles--and Steelers--were tied for 9th worst in conversions allowed (40%), while the Redskins were admittedly far better in this statistic allowing 34% conversion rate, surpassed only by Bengals and Lions in this category.

                The Giants 17 interceptions by defense were exceeded only by the Eagles' 19, while Cowboys and Redskins had 15 and 16 INTs, respectively.

                Cowboys had 13 fumble recoveries, while Giants and Eagles had 12. Redskins recovered only 9.

                Even in sacks, which the Giants admittedly were fairly pathetic in getting last year, giants were tied with Cowboys at 34 sacks, while Redskins had 36 and Eagles had 37--hardly a ringing superiority in defensive prowess by Washington and Philadelphia.

                I'm beginning to wonder if "statistically worst" means what YOU think it means.
                Dont forget that we gave up a ridiculous amount of points on offense and special teams,
                Last edited by Redeyejedi; 04-04-2014, 07:39 AM.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by dayeh33 View Post
                  Feels nice to say that lol.
                  How they look on paper and how well they gel are 2 very different things..

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
                    What statistics are you using?

                    Redskins and Cowboys allowed 95 and 49 MORE points, respectively, than the Giants. Eagles allowed one less point--one--than the Giants, making that a statistical tie in points per game allowed.

                    Cowboys allowed the most yards per game in the NFL (415.3 yds), Eagles allowed the 4th most yards per game in the league (394 yds), Redskins allowed the 15th most yds per game (354.1 yds per), while the Giants allowed the 25th most yds per game (ie, 8th BEST in the league in fewest yds, with 332.2 yds allowed per game).

                    In another crucial measurement of defensive success or failure--3rd down conversions--Cowboys were 4th worst in conversions allowed (43%), the Giants, Eagles--and Steelers--were tied for 9th worst in conversions allowed (40%), while the Redskins were admittedly far better in this statistic allowing 34% conversion rate, surpassed only by Bengals and Lions in this category.

                    The Giants 17 interceptions by defense were exceeded only by the Eagles' 19, while Cowboys and Redskins had 15 and 16 INTs, respectively.

                    Cowboys had 13 fumble recoveries, while Giants and Eagles had 12. Redskins recovered only 9.

                    Even in sacks, which the Giants admittedly were fairly pathetic in getting last year, giants were tied with Cowboys at 34 sacks, while Redskins had 36 and Eagles had 37--hardly a ringing superiority in defensive prowess by Washington and Philadelphia.

                    I'm beginning to wonder if "statistically worst" means what YOU think it means.
                    -- To add to those awesome stats, here are some others:

                    Giants defense before Jon Beason--- 36.4 PPG allowed (ranked 32nd), 395.2 YPG allowed (ranked 27th), 1.4 takeaways per game (ranked 24th)
                    With Jon Beason --- 18.4 PPG allowed (4th), 303.6 YPG allowed (5th), 2.0 takeaways per game (2nd)
                    (#s from PFF)

                    Add to that the fact that I believe those numbers "with Jon Beason" either begin somewhere from week 4 or 6. I can't find the article that posted the numbers specifically splitting up the season into the first 8 games and second 8 games, but IIRC in the 2nd 8 games, we were ranked no lower than #2 in all the above categories (they had omitted any points scored against us via offense or special teams, ONLY looking at points allowed by defense. And even THAT included, for example, the TD Oakland scored where we fumbled the KO on the 5 yard line and all they needed was those 5 yards to score). It also includes the game we got demolished by Seattle.

                    So, whoever said the Giants had "the worst" defense statistically... I don't know what "stats" you're using but perhaps make sure you're not looking at 2011's defensive numbers.
                    Last edited by ixiion; 04-04-2014, 08:05 AM.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                      Dont forget that we gave up a ridiculous amount of points on offense and special teams,
                      The offense turned the ball over 24 times in the first 6 games. Think Eli had had 4 pick 6's last year, there where a couple of fumbles ran back on them, and the special teams allowed something like 4 TD's. Not to mention the number of times the defense started defending the field in the red zone because of a turnover.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by ixiion View Post
                        -- To add to those awesome stats, here are some others:

                        Giants defense before Jon Beason--- 36.4 PPG allowed (ranked 32nd), 395.2 YPG allowed (ranked 27th), 1.4 takeaways per game (ranked 24th)
                        With Jon Beason --- 18.4 PPG allowed (4th), 303.6 YPG allowed (5th), 2.0 takeaways per game (2nd)
                        (#s from PFF)

                        Add to that the fact that I believe those numbers "with Jon Beason" either begin somewhere from week 4 or 6. I can't find the article that posted the numbers specifically splitting up the season into the first 8 games and second 8 games, but IIRC in the 2nd 8 games, we were ranked no lower than #2 in all the above categories (they had omitted any points scored against us via offense or special teams, ONLY looking at points allowed by defense. And even THAT included, for example, the TD Oakland scored where we fumbled the KO on the 5 yard line and all they needed was those 5 yards to score). It also includes the game we got demolished by Seattle.

                        So, whoever said the Giants had "the worst" defense statistically... I don't know what "stats" you're using but perhaps make sure you're not looking at 2011's defensive numbers.
                        To be fair, with regard to the Beason thing, the level of competition diminished after that. You guys played 3 high seeded playoff teams from week 2-4.

                        Once Beason arrived you guys faced:

                        PHI: with Matt Barkley as QB
                        MIN: Freeman making first start
                        OAK:
                        GNB: No Rodgers
                        WAS: Twice

                        The games in which you all faced a decent offense again the Giants gave up an average of 28 pts per game. And really, Dallas played you once with Beason and once without. Overall scored about the same amount of points on offense (remember turnovers essentially gave us 10 points in the first meeting).

                        But the Giants were far from the worst defense in the division last year. Again it was pretty tough to move the ball on you guys.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by dayeh33 View Post
                          We have by far the best defense in the division

                          Feels nice to say that lol.
                          Straight from the damning with faint praise files.....

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Ntegrase96 View Post
                            To be fair, with regard to the Beason thing, the level of competition diminished after that. You guys played 3 high seeded playoff teams from week 2-4.

                            Once Beason arrived you guys faced:

                            PHI: with Matt Barkley as QB
                            MIN: Freeman making first start
                            OAK:
                            GNB: No Rodgers
                            WAS: Twice

                            The games in which you all faced a decent offense again the Giants gave up an average of 28 pts per game.
                            Damn you and your inconvenient facts.

                            You've got some nerve showing up and and saying all this. Good day, sir!

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