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  • #16
    Originally posted by jomo View Post
    I would say that Russell Wilson is a phenomenal value at $9 per hour. He's making about $500k per year compared with the top 8 or 10 QB's who are making closer to $20M per year. That is powerful in terms of who the 'hawks can sign with the rest of the $$.
    Of course, don't forget to mention the fact that's he under the rookie-wage salary cap under the current CBA and that'll certainty benefit the rest of the team. It's not like he chosed to play for low QB salary. There's a rhyme and reason for many things.

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    • #17
      What it says is if you have certain players that are that good you do what it takes to keep them, if you have a great core it'll make your team great for years, everything around them becomes replacable. When you lose good players you have to retool, when you lose core players you have to rebuild.

      Idc what their contracts are worth I don't think anyone would see having Sherman (who I think is gonna get more like 15+ per year), Thomas, and Wilson on their team as a problem lol

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mookskingdom View Post
        What it says is if you have certain players that are that good you do what it takes to keep them, if you have a great core it'll make your team great for years, everything around them becomes replacable. When you lose good players you have to retool, when you lose core players you have to rebuild.

        Idc what their contracts are worth I don't think anyone would see having Sherman (who I think is gonna get more like 15+ per year), Thomas, and Wilson on their team as a problem lol
        "Great team for years" has yet to happen.
        No one remembers who came in second.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BigBlueAllDay View Post
          Of course, don't forget to mention the fact that's he under the rookie-wage salary cap under the current CBA and that'll certainty benefit the rest of the team. It's not like he chosed to play for low QB salary. There's a rhyme and reason for many things.
          Of course he is under his rookie contract! That was my original point.
          No one remembers who came in second.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mercury View Post
            The comparison fails. Seahawks acheived greatness. Giants underacheived. More of our players need pay cuts rather than contract extensions.
            This says it all for me.

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            • #21
              The lesson has already been learned by the caps increase this year, hopefully! Prices go up not down and I'm certain that the FO understands the dynamics of this. The other points are more philosophical. More will be revealed! Go Giants!

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              • #22
                There are talented scouts in the NFL and every team has there own staff of them but
                as much as there is skill to the process there is also a great deal of luck
                and timing involved.

                For the seahawks they were able to get a bit of both.
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                LT - Carson - Kelley - Van Pelt

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jomo View Post
                  "Great team for years" has yet to happen.
                  I'm not talking about them specifically when I say that, I'm just saying keeping a great core in tact is the only way to make a team great for years and if they're that good you do it at whatever price it costs and you worry about the surrounding pieces later

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                    Which young players are worth extending? Even JPP is a question mark at this point.
                    We're probably going to get tarred and feathered but I agree. When JPP is 100% healthy he is almost unstoppable but when he is injured he is just good. Figuring out a contract for JPP is going to be a nightmare and if he has a similar year in 2014 like he had in 2013, I could see him walking.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mookskingdom View Post
                      I'm not talking about them specifically when I say that, I'm just saying keeping a great core in tact is the only way to make a team great for years and if they're that good you do it at whatever price it costs and you worry about the surrounding pieces later
                      That is a noble goal but a really tall order imo. Locking down a core of players to me says 8 or 10 guys maybe more. Injuries in today's game are just so random that such a strategy could easily backfire with bushells full of dead money. Locking down a QB or a couple of OL or a lockdown CB is one thing. However, I think the real winning strategy is to keep reloading in the draft with relatively cheap players.
                      No one remembers who came in second.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Martin View Post
                        There are talented scouts in the NFL and every team has there own staff of them but
                        as much as there is skill to the process there is also a great deal of luck
                        and timing involved.

                        For the seahawks they were able to get a bit of both.
                        Well said

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                        • #27
                          I think you guys are really missing OP's point. Of course drafting and winning is important...

                          He's saying that there's an unusual advantage to locking up players now rather than a few years down the line. A few years from now the market for all players will be higher as everyone's contracts really begin to adjust to a much much higher salary cap. Locking down long-term players now at the current market rate is beneficial as we would be paying them a contract based on the current market value and not the way more inflated market value in a few years that a booming salary cap creates.

                          I think it's a good theory to keep in mind when observing other teams' personnel decisions and maybe even our own in the short-term future. Unfortunately, I think very few young players on the giants roster right now should be considered under this "strategy".

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                            Just wanted to chime in that Earl Thomas was my guy when he came out. Debated a ton on these boards about him.. I liked JPP to, but Earl Thomas was the guy I wanted most..

                            There really isn't anyone we need to jump on and sign this yr. We hold a 5th yr option on Amukumura if we'd like to except it, which would have Prince in Blue till after the 2015 season. I just see no rush to sign extensions to anyone on the Giants off the top of my head? I'm sure Pugh will get one eventually but no rush..
                            me too....I liked him more than Eric Berry and one of my buddies still debate who's better till this day

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                            • #29
                              To be honest, I think they're just fortunate enough to have guys like Thomas and Sherman. Any team, even the Jags would do whatever is necessary to re-sign and keep players like that.

                              What the Seahawks did teach me, or rather re-confirm for me is that defense still wins championships. Peyton last year and Brady in '07 were 2 of the best offenses in the history of this league and they were both neutralized (in Peyton's case flat-out embarrassed) against a menacing defense.

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                              • #30
                                IMO, locking up Prince at around $7M/year was not a bad idea that was being bandied about. He's not elite, but he's very good at coverage and $7M/year will be worth it for him.

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