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  • HBO and the NFL have narrowed down the HARD KNOCKS teams to Bears, Giants, Steelers

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    HBO and the NFL have narrowed down the HARD KNOCKS teams to a list of three: Bears, Giants, Steelers

  • RoanokeFan
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    Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Turns out their contracts even specify Hard Knocks:
    So there we have it.

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  • Flip Empty
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    Turns out their contracts even specify Hard Knocks:

    4. PUBLICITY AND NFLPA GROUP LICENSING PROGRAM.

    (a) Player hereby grants to Club and the League, separately and together, the
    right and authority to use, and to authorize others to use solely as described below, his
    name, nickname, initials, likeness, image, picture, photograph, animation, persona, auto-
    graph/signature (including facsimiles thereof), voice, biographical information and/or
    any and all other identifying characteristics (collectively, “Publicity Rights”), for any and
    all uses or purposes that publicize and promote NFL Football, the League or any of its
    257 member clubs in any way in any and all media or formats, whether analog, digital or
    other, now known or hereafter developed, including, but not limited to, print, tape, disc,
    computer file, radio, television, motion pictures, other audio-visual and audio works,
    Internet, broadband platforms, mobile platforms, applications, and other distribution
    platforms. Without limiting the foregoing, this grant includes the right to use Player’s
    Publicity Rights for the purpose of publicizing and promoting the following aspects of
    NFL Football, the League and/or any of its member clubs: brands, games, ticket sales,
    game broadcasts and telecasts, programming focused on the NFL, one or more NFL
    clubs and/or their games and events (e.g., coaches shows, highlight based shows such as
    Inside the NFL, behind-the-scenes programming such as Hard Knocks), other NFL-related
    media offerings (e.g., branded content segments featuring NFL game footage and other
    programming enhancements), media distribution platforms (e.g., NFL.com, NFL Mo-
    bile, NFL Network), official events (e.g., NFL Kickoff, NFL Draft), officially sanctioned
    awards programs (e.g., Rookie of the Year), and public service or community oriented
    initiatives (e.g., Play60). For purposes of clarity, the ...

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  • RoanokeFan
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    Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Players give the league permission to use them in that fashion when they sign their contract.
    They also have no expectation of privacy since teams film practices and everyone else films games.

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  • Flip Empty
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    Players give the league permission to use them in that fashion when they sign their contract.

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  • RoanokeFan
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    Okay Ro, but that has nothing to do with my point about players signing off on being featured.
    I don't think that's the case, but I don't have access to any documents that would give us the answer.

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  • Roosevelt
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    Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    As soon as they decide we will know who the lucky team is.
    Okay Ro, but that has nothing to do with my point about players signing off on being featured.

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  • RoanokeFan
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    I've watched minimal HK with the Jets and I saw players getting cut. I can't imagine these guys allowing that to be aired without their consent as well as compensation. Of course I could be wrong, but I have been on national TV. lol
    As soon as they decide we will know who the lucky team is.

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  • Roosevelt
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    Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    All due respect, I am not sure the players would have that explicit right. We'd have to know how the agreement is written and if the CBA speaks to this issue. However, for the sake of argument, and you are right, all they need to do is get the major players to refuse permission.
    I've watched minimal HK with the Jets and I saw players getting cut. I can't imagine these guys allowing that to be aired without their consent as well as compensation. Of course I could be wrong, but I have been on national TV. lol

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  • Roosevelt
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    Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
    I have tremendous respect for the Sabols and what they accomplished.

    Were any of those teams FORCED to have highlights of them during games? Was Stram FORCED to be wired during that game? Don't remember or actually know? Neither do I. But I do suspect, reasonably in my view, that they were asked and not forced against their will.

    That's the issue with me. Not the show itself. If teams want to be filmed, great. If 3 million fans (number of 2013 HK viewers) want to watch it, fine.

    The Giants, in the voice of the owner, have made it clear they do NOT want to participate. If no team volunteers this summer (which should tell you all you need to know about how "thrilled" most of the teams actually are about that prospect), and Goodell's office choose the Giants, I'm sure--due to the owners' vote--the Giants will be on Hard Knocks.

    And, considering how much work obviously needs to be done this off season (and especially during the 6 weeks of camp and pre season games) in order for the Giants to become at minimum a playoff team in 2014, I'm sure Mara, Reese, Coughlin consider this particular pre season especially onerous timing for this issue.

    As a Giants fan, I was hoping the team would hunker down with as little outside distraction as possible, in order to enable maximum preparation. Clearly, many on this board don't agree.
    You make an excellent point with them being forced into something but wasn't it that collective "spirit" which drove this league to it's ultimate success?

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  • RoanokeFan
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    I think your forgetting the impact that Steve & Ed Sabol had on this game which formed NFL Films. Was it necessary to mic players, and create highlight films set to music to enhance the spirit of the game? No. Did it help make the game more popular? Without a doubt. Was it a distraction" I'm sure it was at first.

    But what if Hank Stram refused to be wired - as I'm pretty certain he was dead set against it at first. Listening to Stram coaching on the sidelines is legendary material that we grew up with, and even Hank later learned to appreciate it.

    I was filmed for a national television broadcast and the program needed my written permission to feature me in that program, so perhaps you need to take a step back acting as if the poor players have no say what would get aired. Everyone who is on camera knows it, and they have to approve the release.
    All due respect, I am not sure the players would have that explicit right. We'd have to know how the agreement is written and if the CBA speaks to this issue. However, for the sake of argument, and you are right, all they need to do is get the major players to refuse permission.

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  • gmen46
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    I think your forgetting the impact that Steve & Ed Sabol had on this game which formed NFL Films. Was it necessary to mic players, and create highlight films set to music to enhance the spirit of the game? No. Did it help make the game more popular? Without a doubt. Was it a distraction" I'm sure it was at first.

    But what if Hank Stram refused to be wired - as I'm pretty certain he was dead set against it at first. Listening to Stram coaching on the sidelines is legendary material that we grew up with, and even Hank later learned to appreciate it.

    I was filmed for a national television broadcast and the program needed my written permission to feature me in that program, so perhaps you need to take a step back acting as if the poor players have no say what would get aired. Everyone who is on camera knows it, and they have to approve the release.

    I have tremendous respect for the Sabols and what they accomplished.

    Were any of those teams FORCED to have highlights of them during games? Was Stram FORCED to be wired during that game? Don't remember or actually know? Neither do I. But I do suspect, reasonably in my view, that they were asked and not forced against their will.

    That's the issue with me. Not the show itself. If teams want to be filmed, great. If 3 million fans (number of 2013 HK viewers) want to watch it, fine.

    The Giants, in the voice of the owner, have made it clear they do NOT want to participate. If no team volunteers this summer (which should tell you all you need to know about how "thrilled" most of the teams actually are about that prospect), and Goodell's office choose the Giants, I'm sure--due to the owners' vote--the Giants will be on Hard Knocks.

    And, considering how much work obviously needs to be done this off season (and especially during the 6 weeks of camp and pre season games) in order for the Giants to become at minimum a playoff team in 2014, I'm sure Mara, Reese, Coughlin consider this particular pre season especially onerous timing for this issue.

    As a Giants fan, I was hoping the team would hunker down with as little outside distraction as possible, in order to enable maximum preparation. Clearly, many on this board don't agree.

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  • Roosevelt
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    Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
    And that's the core of the debate on this thread. It should not be mandatory.

    Sorry, but I don't agree with your premise of hypocrisy. I'm an NFL fan. I'm a Giants fan. For 45 years. Not watching or wanting to watch Hard Knocks--with or without my team in it--does not make me (or anyone else sharing that point of view) a "one dimensional hypocrite".

    Not being a creepy fanboy who wants to watch the players in the showers and snapping towels in the locker room does not make me a one dimensional hypocrite.

    I'm a fan of the game itself. I like watching (and rooting for) players on my team to make plays. Beyond what the team itself is willing to share with the public, I have no desire to be the fly on the wall that overhears players and coaches in meetings and on the practice field or a player's problems off the field or at home.

    Just like the players enjoy having fans but don't really want to be friends with specific fans.

    There's a line between being a fan and being a voyeur or a stalker.

    Anyone who wants to watch that hyped circus called Hard Knocks, fine. Free country and all that.

    I just believe that a team that does not want to participate and subject itself to that narcissistic exercise should not be forced to. I also believe it's curious and telling that so few teams have wanted to do the show that collectively many of those same teams voted to force themselves to do it.

    I think, however, it's presumptuous to label any Giants fan who has absolutely no interest in watching the show (even with the Giants) as being a one dimensional hypocrite. If anything IS hypocritical, it is to not like the show and/or not want the Giants to perform in it, but then watch the show because the Giants are in it.

    I think your forgetting the impact that Steve & Ed Sabol had on this game which formed NFL Films. Was it necessary to mic players, and create highlight films set to music to enhance the spirit of the game? No. Did it help make the game more popular? Without a doubt. Was it a distraction" I'm sure it was at first.

    But what if Hank Stram refused to be wired - as I'm pretty certain he was dead set against it at first. Listening to Stram coaching on the sidelines is legendary material that we grew up with, and even Hank later learned to appreciate it.

    I was filmed for a national television broadcast and the program needed my written permission to feature me in that program, so perhaps you need to take a step back acting as if the poor players have no say what would get aired. Everyone who is on camera knows it, and they have to approve the release.

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  • RoanokeFan
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    Originally posted by jomo View Post
    Well there we have it. It means something that they didn't let it die.
    Internal politics being what they are, I could see Jones, Snyder and Lurie voting yes just to piss off John Mara

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  • SiddFinch1
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    I hope they dont choose g-men. Don't need the extra attention

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