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  • How much better would we be with...

    ...all of our starters? Would we be lights out? We still have a big chunk of first "string" talent on IR.
    Just when I don't think it can get any worse, I think of you Ray. I have been to the abyss....thank you for helping me stay positive.

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    [quote user="BigBlueOnes"]...all of our starters? Would we be lights out? We still have a big chunk of first "string" talent on IR.[/quote]
    Yep. TT, Goff, Hixon, Sintum, Beatty.... Others
    Football has been very, very good to us.
    After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
    But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
    2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
    3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
    4-New York Giants!!!
    5-NE
    Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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    • #3
      Re: How much better would we be with...

      It's impossible to tell. Cruz wouldn't have much playing time. Either would J Will, Tolly, and others.

      I think it's perfectly possible we wouldn't be any better. The 'next man up' phenomena has grown a new crop of talent for the gmen.

      Besides, we saw last year's starters play last year. And we all know how that ended.

      This team is playing much better right now than it did at any point last year.

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      • #4
        Re: How much better would we be with...

        ^ I agree

        We are missing TT though, and Hixon > Barden

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        • #5
          Re: How much better would we be with...

          Well what is it with TT the man was beatin like a drum last year. Yes he is a sure tackler but he is always burned by good recievers and completely abused by great ones. IMO he wouldnt even be a good conner to cover the other teams slot reciever.

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          • #6
            Re: How much better would we be with...

            Yeah I love TT, but people are remembering him a lot differently than he played. Amazing tackler, great blitzer, almost Charles Woodson-type corner, but Woodson could cover. Woodson could run with the best of them, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Woodson knows how to play the ball in the air.

            It just seems like whenever the ball is in the air, TT just stumbles, or something happens, and he can't make a play on it. The one thing is incredibly good at is undercutting routes, and that's where almost all of his interceptions have come from, not on the deep balls.

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            • #7
              Re: How much better would we be with...

              [quote user="Itlan"]
              It just seems like whenever the ball is in the air, TT just stumbles, or something happens, and he can't make a play on it. .[/quote]

              21 PD 5 INT 4 FF last year, seems strange to pick on his ball skills.

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              • #8
                Re: How much better would we be with...

                [quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="Itlan"]
                It just seems like whenever the ball is in the air, TT just stumbles, or something happens, and he can't make a play on it. .[/quote]

                21 PD 5 INT 4 FF last year, seems strange to pick on his ball skills.[/quote]

                How many times did he get thrown at compared to other corners?

                edit: found it
                RankPlayerTeamCover SnapsThrown AtTA/COV

                81Terrell ThomasNYG61512420.16%
                81/83

                You're bound to have more PD and int when you get thrown at that much more than the better corners.

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                • #9
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                  [quote user="nygiants92"]^ I agree

                  We are missing TT though, and Hixon > Barden[/quote]Hixon equals RB WR wise but Hixon was more productive then RB. Remember the crazy td catch he was injured on. I feel he was more valuable to us on STs.

                  Which is why if I had to pick one guy of all the guys on IR to have back it would be hixon. Now i know most would say TT. But bear with me, hear me out.

                  . He had that IT factor when it came to returning kicks and punts. That's the one thing we don't have this year. No real threat at that position. Hixon was not only a threat, he was a homerun threat..
                  We could really use some of the long returns and sometimes TDs he would provide for us. He was a game changer when it came to field position.

                  Our guys now catch it take two steps and go down.

                  I think it's safe to say we won't see a punt or kickoff returned for 50/60 yards or one for a TD with what we have.....

                  So Hixon would be the one guy I would bring back if a genie gave us one choice
                  Football has been very, very good to us.
                  After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                  But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                  # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                  1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                  2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                  3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                  4-New York Giants!!!
                  5-NE
                  Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                  ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                  • #10
                    Re: How much better would we be with...

                    Obviously they miss TT and Goff. Both where ready for big years I believe.

                    What also hurt this team was losing their 1st round pick for a long amount of time, and losing their 2nd round pick for the entire season. I still think Prince is going to be a very good player and had he not missed all of training camp, pres season, and more than half the regular season he could be contributing more for this team. I thought he did a good job last week in his 1st ever playoff game. Then they had Austin go down and it would have interesting to see his speed in the playoffs especially with the DL getting healthy at the right time.

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                    • #11
                      Re: How much better would we be with...

                      Never happens in the NFL. The good news is we are as healthy as we have been all season.

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                      • #12
                        Re: How much better would we be with...

                        [quote user="miked1958"][quote user="nygiants92"]^ I agree

                        We are missing TT though, and Hixon > Barden[/quote]Hixon equals RB WR wise but Hixon was more productive then RB. Remember the crazy td catch he was injured on. I feel he was more valuable to us on STs.

                        Which is why if I had to pick one guy of all the guys on IR to have back it would be hixon. Now i know most would say TT. But bear with me, hear me out.

                        . He had that IT factor when it came to returning kicks and punts. That's the one thing we don't have this year. No real threat at that position. Hixon was not only a threat, he was a homerun threat..
                        We could really use some of the long returns and sometimes TDs he would provide for us. He was a game changer when it came to field position.

                        Our guys now catch it take two steps and go down.

                        I think it's safe to say we won't see a punt or kickoff returned for 50/60 yards or one for a TD with what we have.....

                        So Hixon would be the one guy I would bring back if a genie gave us one choice[/quote]

                        Good argument. I agree that Hix certainly had "IT". Dom is our best and most consistent return man since I can't remember when. He did give us the advantage on special teams. And... he was still getting better as WR.


                        youtube of his last catch:
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmzLcsbmMD4


                        youtube of game-clinching return against Dallas:
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azqo9br91gE

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                        • #13
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                          Without the injury to Hixon, we might not have seen and enjoyed the big play ability of Cruz. It was a blessing in disguise.

                          There's always going to be a special teams spot for Hixon and if Manningham doesn't return next season, Hixon would be the front-runner to take his spot barring a first round WR draft pick. But having torn his ACL twice already is a concern.

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                          • #14
                            Re: How much better would we be with...

                            The only player that would make a big difference is Terrell Thomas.



                            Hixon to some extent, would have helped a bit on special teams, but he would be no better than the 3rd receiver. Cruz probably would have never seen the field.

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                            • #15
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                              [quote user="buddy33"]Obviously they miss TT and Goff. Both where ready for big years I believe. What also hurt this team was losing their 1st round pick for a long amount of time, and losing their 2nd round pick for the entire season. I still think Prince is going to be a very good player and had he not missed all of training camp, pres season, and more than half the regular season he could be contributing more for this team. I thought he did a good job last week in his 1st ever playoff game. Then they had Austin go down and it would have interesting to see his speed in the playoffs especially with the DL getting healthy at the right time.[/quote]




                              +1




                              Regarding TT, hewas a solid CB and was coming into his prime. I'm confident that his presence would have cut down and the big-plays that our Secondary too often let up and would have let Rolle spend more time playing Safety.




                              Goff was also missedat MLB, not because he's a stud, but because he would have been much better than what we were putting out there.

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