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    So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario.

    Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route?

    Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked.

    The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders.

    Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of

    "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket"

    That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault.

    From the QBs lips to Gods ears.
    My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

    Burier: Yes.

    My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

    Burier: Yes. I promise.

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    Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

    [quote user="burier"]So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario.

    Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route?

    Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked.

    The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders.

    Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of

    "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket"

    That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault.

    From the QBs lips to Gods ears.[/quote]

    Watch it again...the defenders that were "in the area" were in zones that weren't really in position to make a play in the spot where the ball was thrown...two guys were over the top and one guy was stationary in the middle. Rogers made the INT, but if Manningham continued his route he would have been right there in single coverage with Rogers and probably had the edge for the ball.

    Not really sure what Manningham was thinking. It's not like he cut his route back outside...he just stopped...

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    • #3
      Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

      [quote user="burier"]So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario.

      Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route?

      Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked.

      The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders.

      Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of

      "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket"

      That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault.

      From the QBs lips to Gods ears.[/quote]

      Somehow I get the impression you feel better now.

      Where I come from an interception is an interception - they all suck.




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      • #4
        Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

        [quote user="Roosevelt"][quote user="burier"]So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario.

        Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route?

        Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked.

        The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders.

        Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of

        "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket"

        That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault.

        From the QBs lips to Gods ears.[/quote]

        Somehow I get the impression you feel better now.

        Where I come from an interception is an interception - they all suck.




        [/quote]

        lmao

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        • #5
          Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT



          [quote user="burier"]So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario. Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route? Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked. The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders. Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket" That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault. From the QBs lips to Gods ears.[/quote]




          so this thread is titled "Eli clears up the mario INT"...




          your post hasn't cleared anything up. Nor did what Eli say clear anything up.




          You have cleared it in your mind which what you said when you typed "That to me"....




          so you interpret what Eli said and therefor it must be what Eli thinks???




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          • #6
            Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

            [quote user="burier"]So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario.

            Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route?

            Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked.

            The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders.

            Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of

            "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket"

            That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault.

            From the QBs lips to Gods ears.[/quote]

            thats not at all what he said

            here is the quote straight from the post game presser....straight from his mouth

            "....he had an incut and he maybe thought I was scrambling and maybe he was gonna try to bang it back out and get open ...I thought he was gonna stay on the move and obviously I threw it...."

            where in the world does he say anything remotely suggesting it was Marios fault...

            Mannningham did exactly as he is coached.....if you are manned up and see yourself running into coverage you break break back and get open ....Eli was under pressure and Marios route was taking him into triple coverage

            its noones fault ...they saw 2 different things

            it happens

            not Marios fault at all....nor is it Elis

            just an off page play

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            • #7
              Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

              [quote user="GameTime"]

              [quote user="burier"]So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario. Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route? Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked. The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders. Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket" That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault. From the QBs lips to Gods ears.[/quote]




              so this thread is titled "Eli clears up the mario INT"...




              your post hasn't cleared anything up. Nor did what Eli say clear anything up.




              You have cleared it in your mind which what you said when you typed "That to me"....




              so you interpret what Eli said and therefor it must be what Eli thinks???




              [/quote]

              well he said Mario was on an in-route, he said he has no idea why Mario stopped running but he wasn't suppose to. That doesn't clear up the fact that Mario made the wrong move?
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              • #8
                Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

                [quote user="YATittle1962"][quote user="burier"]So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario.

                Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route?

                Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked.

                The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders.

                Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of

                "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket"

                That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault.

                From the QBs lips to Gods ears.[/quote]

                thats not at all what he said

                here is the quote straight from the post game presser....straight from his mouth

                "....he had an incut and he maybe thought I was scrambling and maybe he was gonna try to bang it back out and get open ...I thought he was gonna stay on the move and obviously I threw it...."

                where in the world does he say anything remotely suggesting it was Marios fault...

                Mannningham did exactly as he is coached.....if you are manned up and see yourself running into coverage you break break back and get open ....Eli was under pressure and Marios route was taking him into triple coverage

                its noones fault ...they saw 2 different things

                it happens

                not Marios fault at all....nor is it Elis

                just an off page play[/quote]

                well was Eli scrambling?
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                • #9
                  Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

                  it was so horrific, it looked to me like they both made mistakes

                  I think Eli let Cruz drop get in his head a little on the other INT......it was grossly underthrown

                  Eli is not perfect, and the rest of the team should start to "make plays" too.......like the front 7 who were just run stoppers in that game.....no QB pressure at all

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                  • #10
                    Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

                    [quote user="YATittle1962"][quote user="burier"]So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario.

                    Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route?

                    Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked.

                    The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders.

                    Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of

                    "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket"

                    That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault.

                    From the QBs lips to Gods ears.[/quote]

                    thats not at all what he said

                    here is the quote straight from the post game presser....straight from his mouth

                    "....he had an incut and he maybe thought I was scrambling and maybe he was gonna try to bang it back out and get open ...I thought he was gonna stay on the move and obviously I threw it...."

                    where in the world does he say anything remotely suggesting it was Marios fault...

                    Mannningham did exactly as he is coached.....if you are manned up and see yourself running into coverage you break break back and get open ....Eli was under pressure and Marios route was taking him into triple coverage

                    its noones fault ...they saw 2 different things

                    it happens

                    not Marios fault at all....nor is it Elis

                    just an off page play[/quote]

                    First of all thanks for the quote.

                    And I appreciate you standing by your initial position but the fact that Eli says "He maybe thought I was scrambling" indicates that the ONLY reason for Mario to adjust the route in the fashion he did was if Eli was "scrambling"...Since Eli clearly was not scrambling Mario had no reason to behave in the fashion he did.

                    Eli didnt say "Maybe he was responding to the coverage" Which is what your suggesting Mario was doing.
                    My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

                    Burier: Yes.

                    My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

                    Burier: Yes. I promise.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

                      [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="YATittle1962"][quote user="burier"]So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario.

                      Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route?

                      Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked.

                      The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders.

                      Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of

                      "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket"

                      That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault.

                      From the QBs lips to Gods ears.[/quote]

                      thats not at all what he said

                      here is the quote straight from the post game presser....straight from his mouth

                      "....he had an incut and he maybe thought I was scrambling and maybe he was gonna try to bang it back out and get open ...I thought he was gonna stay on the move and obviously I threw it...."

                      where in the world does he say anything remotely suggesting it was Marios fault...

                      Mannningham did exactly as he is coached.....if you are manned up and see yourself running into coverage you break break back and get open ....Eli was under pressure and Marios route was taking him into triple coverage

                      its noones fault ...they saw 2 different things

                      it happens

                      not Marios fault at all....nor is it Elis

                      just an off page play[/quote]

                      well was Eli scrambling?
                      [/quote]

                      Eli was not scrambling, but he did drift left...meanwhile, Mario stopped his route on the right side. That would have been a dangerous throw for Eli to make to his right from the left side of the field...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

                        [quote user="GameTime"]

                        [quote user="burier"]So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario. Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route? Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked. The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders. Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket" That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault. From the QBs lips to Gods ears.[/quote]




                        so this thread is titled "Eli clears up the mario INT"...




                        your post hasn't cleared anything up. Nor did what Eli say clear anything up.




                        You have cleared it in your mind which what you said when you typed "That to me"....




                        so you interpret what Eli said and therefor it must be what Eli thinks???




                        *

                        [/quote]

                        Dude we all speak English here. Aren't you able to deduce what someone means when they speak to you or does it have to be completely explicit????

                        In order for Eli to clear this issue up in your mind he'd have to say something like

                        "Mario is a *Burier on phrasing watch*. He ran the wrong route and the interception was completely his fault"

                        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

                        Burier: Yes.

                        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

                        Burier: Yes. I promise.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

                          [quote user="yoeddy"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="YATittle1962"][quote user="burier"]So we had a little debate going on about what happened on that INT to Mario.

                          Did Mario hang his QB out to dry by not finnishing his route?

                          Did Mario make the proper sight adjustment and Eli missed it causing the ball to get picked.

                          The problem I had with the Idea that Eli missed the read is that though there were defenders in the area he puts the ball low so that Mario could safely make the grab showing me that Eli indeed saw the defenders.

                          Then I listen to Eli's post game and he says it...Something to the affect of

                          "We'll have to look at that one. He was on an 'incut'. I don't know what happened maybe he thought I was outside the pocket"

                          That to me means there was no sight adjustment on that route for Mario to break it outside and that the INT is Marios fault.

                          From the QBs lips to Gods ears.[/quote]

                          thats not at all what he said

                          here is the quote straight from the post game presser....straight from his mouth

                          "....he had an incut and he maybe thought I was scrambling and maybe he was gonna try to bang it back out and get open ...I thought he was gonna stay on the move and obviously I threw it...."

                          where in the world does he say anything remotely suggesting it was Marios fault...

                          Mannningham did exactly as he is coached.....if you are manned up and see yourself running into coverage you break break back and get open ....Eli was under pressure and Marios route was taking him into triple coverage

                          its noones fault ...they saw 2 different things

                          it happens

                          not Marios fault at all....nor is it Elis

                          just an off page play[/quote]

                          well was Eli scrambling?
                          [/quote]

                          Eli was not scrambling, but he did drift left...meanwhile, Mario stopped his route on the right side. That would have been a dangerous throw for Eli to make to his right from the left side of the field...[/quote]


                          There is a protocol for what a Reciever should do when the "QB scrambles OUT OF the pocket" You break your route and head toward the sideline NEAREST the QB.

                          This protocol does not apply to "drifting"

                          Furthermore even if Eli left the pocket to his left there is no logical reason in a scramble drill for Mario to stop his route or break to Eli's right.
                          My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

                          Burier: Yes.

                          My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

                          Burier: Yes. I promise.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

                            which makes total sense, Mario decided to go into "improv" mode because the play was covered, but Eli was still in the pocket and he had made up his mind that he was throwing to Manningham on that route (coverage or not)



                            so, if you have to place blame then it does go on Mario, but still the decision to try to complete a pass with 3 defenders around is not a good one either ... hard to say what would have happened if Mario continued the route ... maybe somebody could computer simulate it

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                            • #15
                              Re: Eli clears up the Mario INT

                              [quote user="G-Man67"]which makes total sense, Mario decided to go into "improv" mode because the play was covered, but Eli was still in the pocket and he had made up his mind that he was throwing to Manningham on that route (coverage or not)



                              so, if you have to place blame then it does go on Mario, but still the decision to try to complete a pass with 3 defenders around is not a good one either ... hard to say what would have happened if Mario continued the route ... maybe somebody could computer simulate it [/quote]

                              I disagree that "the play was covered"...look at where the defenders are when Rogers makes the INT...the two over are at least 6-7 yards away, and the guy in the middle zone was a few yards away as well. If Mario continues the route, the worst would have been an incompletion and the most likely would have been a catch by Mario immediately followed by a tackle.

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