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  • Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach

    Now unless the players don't like to play for him or play hard for him anymore is another story but none of us can prove that. Sure didn't look like it after that Pats victory... & that's not the vibe or consensus I get from the players.


    Every single year we are DECIMATED by injuries.
    We have the same terrible game plans & schemes.


    This is Coughlin's fault?


    If the players in our locker room had even half the HEART, PRIDE & WILL TO WIN as Coughlin we would be 19-0 every year.
    "Once a Giant, ALWAYS, a Giant."

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    Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach

    [quote user="NYG4lifeNYK"]Now unless the players don't like to play for him or play hard for him anymore is another story but none of us can prove that. Sure didn't look like it after that Pats victory... & that's not the vibe or consensus I get from the players.


    Every single year we are DECIMATED by injuries.
    We have the same terrible game plans & schemes.


    This is Coughlin's fault?


    If the players in our locker room had even half the HEART, PRIDE & WILL TO WIN as Coughlin we would be 19-0 every year.
    [/quote]

    Terrible game plans and schemes are drawn up by coaches....and a head coach has final say.

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    • #3
      Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach

      Coughlin's the one who said that injuries are mostly mental, inferring he would fix fassel's mistakes in that regard.

      Good call on that one Tom.

      During TC's tenure this team has always peaked at the wrong time of the season. John madden always stressed that was important to start peaking just after thanksgiving, and that just hasn't been the case.

      It sounds asinine to say, but '07 is looking more and more like an anomaly.

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      • #4
        Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach



        [quote user="NYG4lifeNYK"]Now unless the players don't like to play for him or play hard for him anymore is another story but none of us can prove that. Sure didn't look like it after that Pats victory... & that's not the vibe or consensus I get from the players.


        Every single year we are DECIMATED by injuries.
        We have the same terrible game plans & schemes.


        This is Coughlin's fault?


        If the players in our locker room had even half the HEART, PRIDE & WILL TO WIN as Coughlin we would be 19-0 every year.
        [/quote]




        It his team. He is responsible for the good, the bad, and the ugly. Whether his fault or not its his team.




        He cant control injuries but he can control what he thinks are good schemes or not. He can be a motivator. He is very good coach but at the end of the day that doesnt matter. Even good coaches have bad seasons.




        You think he is not responsible for gameplanning?......Or better yet.....if a game plan isnt working then adjust. The offense seems to be able to do that sometimes....the defense never does. He needs to do something about that. Either tell the DC what he wants or fire him for example. Or maybe he agrees with what his coordinators are doing. In that case then hee needs to revaluate the whole situation.

        "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
        You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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        • #5
          Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach



          as i've heard a number of former coaches say, sometimes you don't get replaced by someone better than you.




          sometimes just being someone different is all a team is looking for.




          by reputation among other coaches alone, coughlin is an unbelievable head coach. you can't have his record without being really good at what you do.




          but the time has probably come to see what someone else can do with this roster, for no other reason that it lets you know how much of this issue is coachingor how much of this issue is your roster.




          it also means your GM no longer has any cover anymore either (ie: "i didn't hire this guy").




          So everyone gets a little more uncomfortable with a change, which i consider a good thing.

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          • #6
            Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach

            [quote user="hadenough"][quote user="NYG4lifeNYK"]Now unless the players don't like to play for him or play hard for him anymore is another story but none of us can prove that. Sure didn't look like it after that Pats victory... & that's not the vibe or consensus I get from the players.


            Every single year we are DECIMATED by injuries.
            We have the same terrible game plans & schemes.


            This is Coughlin's fault?


            If the players in our locker room had even half the HEART, PRIDE & WILL TO WIN as Coughlin we would be 19-0 every year.
            [/quote]

            Terrible game plans and schemes are drawn up by coaches....and a head coach has final say.[/quote]That plus the fact that he NEVER makes any game time adjustments, he has no way of motivating his players for the big games, he sticks with the same non-innovative play calling both on Offense and Defense and he has no good judgment of talent. He seems to let his coordinators call whatever they want and he is not very much involved in the actual game . He is just a bystander in the sidelines. Besides, who chooses who will be on the field? So if the players do not have heart and pride why are they on the field?

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            • #7
              Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach

              if its not coughlins fault then who????

              Since Cough has been here we lose to teams we should beat. Have had embarassing melt downs toward the end of the season...Been chased out of playoff games even in our own building after achieving a first round bye.

              The greatest moment I've ever had as a sports fan came by way of Tom Coughlins Giants so its pains me to say that if he can get this thing turned around in a hurry then he needs to go.

              The Superbowl was great but its been pretty brutal since.

              12-4 then getting immediately bounced from the playoffs...(Primed to repeat mind you.)

              Sickening defeats the following year including an embarassing defeat in the last game in Giants Stadium.

              The Miracle in the meadowlands part 2

              All these things happened on Coughlins watch. The buck has to stop somewhere.
              My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

              Burier: Yes.

              My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

              Burier: Yes. I promise.

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              • #8
                Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach



                [quote user="lawl"]Coughlin's the one who said that injuries are mostly mental, inferring he would fix fassel's mistakes in that regard. Good call on that one Tom. During TC's tenure this team has always peaked at the wrong time of the season. John madden always stressed that was important to start peaking just after thanksgiving, and that just hasn't been the case. It sounds asinine to say, but '07 is looking more and more like an anomaly.[/quote]




                how is that asinine at all?




                other than our collective pride as fans, what evidence do what have that 07 was anything more than catching lightening in a bottle once?

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                • #9
                  Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach

                  Are you serious? Terrible game plans and schemes are FROM the coaches.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach

                    [quote user="CDN_G-FAN"]

                    [quote user="lawl"]Coughlin's the one who said that injuries are mostly mental, inferring he would fix fassel's mistakes in that regard. Good call on that one Tom. During TC's tenure this team has always peaked at the wrong time of the season. John madden always stressed that was important to start peaking just after thanksgiving, and that just hasn't been the case. It sounds asinine to say, but '07 is looking more and more like an anomaly.[/quote]




                    how is that asinine at all?




                    other than our collective pride as fans, what evidence do what have that 07 was anything more than catching lightening in a bottle once?

                    [/quote]

                    For most Super Bowl winning teams, this is true...

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                    • #11
                      Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach

                      I want Coughlin fired. Now, do I believe this season is entirely his fault? No. I think the coordinators have more blame than Coughlin. The problem is I dont see the coordinators going unless Coughlin does.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach

                        You should know by now that the posters who post negative comments toward TC are the ones who couldn't catch a wiffle ball and know nothing about the game. Just a bunch of pansies who are letting their panties get caught in a bind!
                        "There is winning and there is Misery"

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                        • #13
                          Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach



                          [quote user="mike kennedy"]You should know by now that the posters who post negative comments toward TC are the ones who couldn't catch a wiffle ball and know nothing about the game. Just a bunch of pansies who are letting their panties get caught in a bind!
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                          Yes, I totally agree. The fans who post negative comments about him know nothing about the game. They also can't catch a wiffle ball? You lost me on that one. And yesthey are a bunch of pansies with their "panties" getting caught in a bind because after years of second half collapsesthey finally believe the head coach should feel accountable. Yes, they are big dumb stupid heads!

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                            Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach

                            [quote user="Zaggs"]I want Coughlin fired.* Now, do I believe this season is entirely his fault?* No.* I think the coordinators have more blame than Coughlin.* The problem is I dont see the coordinators going unless Coughlin does.
                            [/quote]

                            agreed....i actually don't want him fired but I don't believe he will fire his OC or DC and thus he will have to be cut to rid the team of poor scheming

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                              Re: Someone explain to me how this is Coughlin's fault? Guy is a GREAT coach



                              [quote user="NYG4lifeNYK"]Now unless the players don't like to play for him or play hard for him anymore is another story but none of us can prove that. Sure didn't look like it after that Pats victory... & that's not the vibe or consensus I get from the players.


                              Every single year we are DECIMATED by injuries.
                              We have the same terrible game plans & schemes.


                              This is Coughlin's fault?


                              If the players in our locker room had even half the HEART, PRIDE & WILL TO WIN as Coughlin we would be 19-0 every year.
                              [/quote]




                              Well if you go by Tom Coughlins original quote when he took the job...yes the injuries are his fault. He essentially blame Fassell for the injuries they had when he was the coach.




                              That aside...Every team has injuries. In our case, the most important position..QB, has suffered no injuries in his entire tenure here. How many other teams can say that. Almost none. What would happen to us if David Carr had to start? A lot worse than other team who are on their 2nd or 3rd QB's. Lets hope we don't have to find out because TC has this team ill prepared for that.




                              Its also true that our secondary as it is right now, is full of nothing but 1st ans 2nd round picks. Our D line, essentially the same. The only real problem is at LB, and we have terrible depth. and/or the backups are poorly coached.




                              TC has lost this team. they have tuned him out. And his history backs this up. His last 3 seasons at JAX were losing ones. He's an acquired taste as a HC, and our players have lost their appetite for this regime.




                              Our "disciplinarian" coach with a team that plays with no discipline.




                              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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