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  • That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

    made this point all day.

    he had a guy in on ST that wasn't his regular starter, dove for a fair catch punt in the 1st half, then had one bounce off his leg.

    on the other side of the ball, after the bounce off on Williams, Coughlin switches to Aaron Ross and tells him to catch and secure the ball get your yards and go down before contact.

    in OT, WIlliams gets stripped on a pretty simple play.

    If Harbaugh wanted him to stay aggressive on his returns, then he wasn't paying attention to the conditions or situation, or he didn't trust is offense, or both.

    bottom line, our coach saw the danger and adjusted, there's gambled and lost.

    Don't blame the player for that, blame the coach. he had enough signs on the field already that he should have said something to him (assuming he didn't obviously).
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    Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

    On the botched punt off his knee..... He let the ball bounce and it took a very aggressive bounce forward that would have kept on rolling for the Giants favor. When he saw the bounce, he rethought about stopping the ball from rolling and changed his mind because the odd bounces. He simply couldn't make up his mind and the ball hit his knee..... You either go after the ball or STAY AWAY. Big mistake. Coaching couldn't help him with that brain f@rt.

    On the fumble, I don't blame him for running hard (he had a big return earlier) but he better always have 2 hands on the ball when he is running. This is a playoff game here. People will forget about it in the regular season but not now. I blame the player.

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    • #3
      Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

      [quote user="CDN_G-FAN"]made this point all day.

      he had a guy in on ST that wasn't his regular starter, dove for a fair catch punt in the 1st half, then had one bounce off his leg.

      on the other side of the ball, after the bounce off on Williams, Coughlin switches to Aaron Ross and tells him to catch and secure the ball get your yards and go down before contact.

      in OT, WIlliams gets stripped on a pretty simple play.

      If Harbaugh wanted him to stay aggressive on his returns, then he wasn't paying attention to the conditions or situation, or he didn't trust is offense, or both.

      bottom line, our coach saw the danger and adjusted, there's gambled and lost.

      Don't blame the player for that, blame the coach. he had enough signs on the field already that he should have said something to him (assuming he didn't obviously).[/quote]

      He is still an idiot for not securing the ball correctly :P.

      But I agree all the same. Don't try to be a hero, just get what you can and go down.
      "...two minute drill at the end of each quarter, Ya'know with the wind like this blowing mooch and marshall into the ocean...If that's behind me I think were getting 3 from 70 so holla at your boy. IF YOU DON"T PICK ME THAT'S A JOKE RIGHT?" - Justin Tucker, Ravens kicker

      Complain?, ain't Nobody got time for dat!

      GO GIANTS!

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      • #4
        Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

        I made the point that for some reason on the last 3 49er possessions, Harbaugh abandoned the run.

        Watching the game, the biggest thing i feared was Gore running on the last 3 series. Having Smith try to be TOm Brady was non sense.

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        • #5
          Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

          Great point, that diving catch early in the game could have been disaster. The 49er offense is just not an NFL offense and it would appear neither are their special teams.

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          • #6
            Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

            [quote user="Markroman"]I made the point that for some reason on the last 3 49er possessions, Harbaugh abandoned the run.

            Watching the game, the biggest thing i feared was Gore running on the last 3 series. Having Smith try to be TOm Brady was non sense.[/quote]

            seriously!!!

            3 passing plays that chews up 18 seconds at the end of the game?

            when smith had the ball with under 2 minutes to go, i thought, jeez, with gore and a VD pass, they could be in FG range with no time left on the clock.

            and then 3 passing plays?

            not alot of focus on Harbaugh in this loss at all.
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            • #7
              Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

              [quote user="bflo23"]On the botched punt off his knee..... He let the ball bounce and it took a very aggressive bounce forward that would have kept on rolling for the Giants favor. When he saw the bounce, he rethought about stopping the ball from rolling and changed his mind because the odd bounces. He simply couldn't make up his mind and the ball hit his knee..... You either go after the ball or STAY AWAY. Big mistake. Coaching couldn't help him with that brain f@rt.

              On the fumble, I don't blame him for running hard (he had a big return earlier) but he better always have 2 hands on the ball when he is running. This is a playoff game here. People will forget about it in the regular season but not now. I blame the player.
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              Blaming the player is ridiculous.

              Win and lose as a team. The offense didn't exactly bail him out any.

              That kind of weak crap is for fans looking for a scapegoat.

              The 49er players interviewed after the game were all great, not one would even entertain blaming Williams. Everyone of them defended him. That's a real team.

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              • #8
                Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

                That loss was lucky, Bradshaws fumble non-call was too close for me
                Everyone has the right to be stupid. Some just abuse the privilege.

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                • #9
                  Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

                  Greg Roman is at fault IMO.

                  The interior of the Giants DL was collapsing almost every running play by Iupati-Goodwin-Snyder. Roman never exploited it. They could have demoralized this defense by shoving it down our throats. It had been a while since I had seen that DL get beat at the POA consistently.

                  And then like someone else said, that 18 second drive and all those shotgun runs just were bad play calls. I mean, they could line up and run it, we couldn't. Harbaugh was even asked by reporters about all those shotgun runs and that 18 second drive.
                  My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                  • #10
                    Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

                    When Aaron Ross fielded punts in the rain, he ran for a little and immediately went to the ground giving SF no chance for a fumble strip. He understood the situation at hand.

                    SF failed to do that and ultimately paid the price.

                    Good call and gameplant from ST coach and Tom Coughlin.

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                    • #11
                      Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

                      [quote user="Sarcasman"]
                      Blaming the player is ridiculous.

                      Win and lose as a team. The offense didn't exactly bail him out any.

                      That kind of weak crap is for fans looking for a scapegoat.

                      The 49er players interviewed after the game were all great, not one would even entertain blaming Williams. Everyone of them defended him. That's a real team.[/quote]

                      I am not blaming the 49ers loss on him. I am just blaming the botched punt and the fumble on him. The team didn't "botch" the punt and had it go off their knee. However, Giants outplayed the 49ers and deserved to win though.

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                      • #12
                        Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

                        [quote user="CDN_G-FAN"][quote user="Markroman"]I made the point that for some reason on the last 3 49er possessions, Harbaugh abandoned the run.

                        Watching the game, the biggest thing i feared was Gore running on the last 3 series. Having Smith try to be TOm Brady was non sense.[/quote]

                        seriously!!!

                        3 passing plays that chews up 18 seconds at the end of the game?

                        when smith had the ball with under 2 minutes to go, i thought, jeez, with gore and a VD pass, they could be in FG range with no time left on the clock.

                        and then 3 passing plays?

                        not alot of focus on Harbaugh in this loss at all.[/quote]

                        That is the problem with most ex-QBs being coaches . They try to relive their career through the QBs they coach. Kubiak did the same thing to end Houston playoff run. You see Garret making mistakes like this also.

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                        • #13
                          Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

                          [quote user="Blue_Buddha"][quote user="CDN_G-FAN"][quote user="Markroman"]I made the point that for some reason on the last 3 49er possessions, Harbaugh abandoned the run.

                          Watching the game, the biggest thing i feared was Gore running on the last 3 series. Having Smith try to be TOm Brady was non sense.[/quote]

                          seriously!!!

                          3 passing plays that chews up 18 seconds at the end of the game?

                          when smith had the ball with under 2 minutes to go, i thought, jeez, with gore and a VD pass, they could be in FG range with no time left on the clock.

                          and then 3 passing plays?

                          not alot of focus on Harbaugh in this loss at all.[/quote]

                          That is the problem with most ex-QBs being coaches . They try to relive their career through the QBs they coach. Kubiak did the same thing to end Houston playoff run. You see Garret making mistakes like this also.[/quote]

                          wow.

                          really good call. didn't even consider that.

                          and it explains having a 4.6 yd/carry RB in your back pocket when you haven't had more than 1 reception at WR and you don't call more than one run play in your last 3 possessions.

                          canadians have alot to learn about football.

                          damn.
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                          • #14
                            Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

                            [quote user="CDN_G-FAN"][quote user="Blue_Buddha"][quote user="CDN_G-FAN"][quote user="Markroman"]I made the point that for some reason on the last 3 49er possessions, Harbaugh abandoned the run.

                            Watching the game, the biggest thing i feared was Gore running on the last 3 series. Having Smith try to be TOm Brady was non sense.[/quote]

                            seriously!!!

                            3 passing plays that chews up 18 seconds at the end of the game?

                            when smith had the ball with under 2 minutes to go, i thought, jeez, with gore and a VD pass, they could be in FG range with no time left on the clock.

                            and then 3 passing plays?

                            not alot of focus on Harbaugh in this loss at all.[/quote]

                            That is the problem with most ex-QBs being coaches . They try to relive their career through the QBs they coach. Kubiak did the same thing to end Houston playoff run. You see Garret making mistakes like this also.[/quote]

                            wow.

                            really good call. didn't even consider that.

                            and it explains having a 4.6 yd/carry RB in your back pocket when you haven't had more than 1 reception at WR and you don't call more than one run play in your last 3 possessions.

                            canadians have alot to learn about football.

                            damn.[/quote]

                            If you were gonna re-live the career of someone wouldn't you pick someone who was good?

                            Why the hell would he want to relive his own crappy career? He sucked.

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                            • #15
                              Re: That loss was Harbaugh's fault, not Kyle Williams

                              I agree.

                              Regarding he "off his leg" punt muff:Williams was too deep on that punt. It was perfectly fieldable, but he let it bounce. Thats a big no-no in the world of punt returning(unless your inside your own 10.) You do not let it hit the turf if you can help it. There are times when you cant help it, this was not 1 of them. That punt was fieldable.

                              Punt returners who get nice returns like Williams are crowd pleasers. But the primary function of punt returner is ball security. There is a reason the Giants won a SB with Phil Mckonkey as a punt returner. There is a reason won another SB with Rw McQuaters as a punt returner. Both those guys were not very good at actually returning punts. But they were 1st class at fielding punts and then securing it.

                              Harbaugh left a guy in at PR who had already shown he didnt make good descisions with regards to fielding punts and securing the ball.


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